End of the rotation?

[Errakus]

Originally Posted by cs616 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If at the end of all this drama Lord Bob ends up being the "good guy", that is going to be like finding out Lee Harvey Oswald is a vigilante hero because Kennedy was actually a child molester. This whole thing is just super.

This is GOLD.

[Blaza]

Originally Posted by uygi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Revert everything, VP trainswars, no C/R/FFA, no bag limit. No holds barred grudge match til Velious.

+1

[quido]

I miss train wars - much more a test of skill than the retardation that is blue VP now.

[Blaza]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I miss train wars - much more a test of skill than the retardation that is blue VP now.

I remember back in the TMO vs BDA days a 3 hr CR in VP due to nonstop training. Sounds awful, but I thought it was fun.

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I miss train wars - much more a test of skill than the retardation that is blue VP now.

Less a test of skill and more a test of will. It takes a special kind of nobody to piss away their time like that.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Clasick [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do i have to spell it out for you ?
I don't think the majority of guilds object to keeping each other from manipulating the system. The problem almost everyone has is with the ridiculous proposal BDA/Div/Taken are championing. They very fact your guild came up with that steaming pile of shit proposal and presented it as take it or leave it speak volumes. I can't believe this proposal is so bad your making me agree with Lord Bob.

I'll bite.

1) No more "dark hours"

What is the issue with this? If you're up for your mob, cover the entire raid window. This is going to be the case for Velious if you want any raid mobs once this class system goes out the window and everything goes FFA, so wouldn't it make sense to prep your guild for this now, or figure out among the smaller guilds some sort of alliance or merger to cover the raid window? If you can't do this now, your guild is probably going to die off in Velious as your members migrate to the guilds (probably TMO for easy loots) that ARE covering the spawn windows and killing the shit... so we're kicking everyone in the pants to create the infrastructure/alliance now. If you lack the foresight to see why this is important, then you're doing your own guild a disservice by re-directing the attention on "BIG BAD BDA" instead of leading your guild down a path of preparation and success.

2) No more alliances AND solo slots

As mentioned before, you can't have your cake and eat it too. This has been a point of contention back since TMO/IB cut VD out of the Trak rotation because "it wasn't fair for IB and VD to raid together any other time, and then have IB and VD get individual slots in the Trak rotation." We have seen this distinction as recently as IB/FE raiding jointly and only getting two trackers for that alliance instead of two trackers for IB and two trackers for FE. The precedence is there. Don't bitch about being held accountable for this in Class R as well. If you want to raid with another guild, fine, but it needs to be done consistently. Not when it is convenient for you so as to not pad out the rotation artificially, as shown by the above precedents.

3) Grace Period

Again, this is prep for Velious. If your guild cannot down a target, uncontested, in 60 minutes, you have very little chance in Velious when shit is going to be engaged in the first 5-10 minutes -- so get the infrastructure in place now. That's all we're asking everyone to do. Yeah, you might miss a few of these consistent 3AM dragons everyone is talking about. You're going to miss 100% of them in Velious when everything is FFA anyway... so again, either form up an alliance and stick with it, or merge. Prepare for Velious. Unless you want the Class C guilds to dominate us again for another 3 years before Rogean steps in.

4) Tiers

I'm going to be up front and say these should probably be tweaked in my retarded, uninformed opinion, but even if they aren't, the point is to keep the guilds that can't kill a certain level of content on their own within their own tier of mobs so they're not padding out the rotation for guilds that are more capable. Many Live servers had a Tier system in place for their rotations to keep the guilds spread out amongst their respective capabilities. It was a huge achievement for a guild to jump to the next tier, and probably made it more exciting/challenging -- something for each guild to work and strive for.

If you can't band together your guild to kill Gorenaire, a 32K mob with an AE and a CH that's easily defeated by melee push, then what the hell are you going to do when Velious opens with raid targets with many times more HP and damage output?

So what's the point of contention again?

Instead of bickering amongst ourselves, turning BDA into the bad guys for going along with something apparently Taken/Divinity have been pressing for months, calling Chest a grimy piece of shit (leave that to BDA), destroying the rotation, and turning against each other -- WHICH GUESS WHAT... THAT'S PRECISELY WHAT CLASS C GUILDS WANT WHILE THEY GO BEAT THE LOOT PINATA! -- why don't we all do our due diligence in at least becoming halfway competitive so we don't get our collective asses handed to us by TMO and IB when Velious drops? Why are BDA, Taken, and Divinity the only guilds seeing the big picture here for the non-Class C guilds?

[Detoxx]

Originally Posted by jpetrick [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Have you tried anything on the Solo Artist's Challenge? It's not exactly easy. But go ahead and be a dick trying to insult a good player who tried to make the game more fun by adding difficulty instead of just throwing bodies at things.

Plenty of people, myself included, have done several of the things on that "Solo Artists Thread" but we elect to not brag about it. Just saying

[Bboboo]

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Will it ever be possible for the rotation again?

[khanable]

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[Argh]

Good thing you guys are training everyone for Velious content that your guild can't kill--how magnanimous.