religion

[mtb tripper]

shut the fuck up man

[paulgiamatti]

I don't think anyone said scientists don't have beliefs. I certainly said that science is not a religion, and that atheism is not a system of belief, but many scientists are indeed theists whose work we'd be much poorer without. As I've said on this topic in other threads, it's not a question of intelligence, but of morality.

[leewong]

Originally Posted by Eliseus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No one said it does, it was along with the religion definition because, like I already said (please stop just reading what you want to read in posts), one of you already pointed out how scientists don't have a "belief", so I gave the definition of belief and faith, to remove any middle-ground argument BS that having belief is only to have a belief in the supernatural blah blah blah or that faith is only prevalent in the supernatural or blah blah blah.

You accuse me of reading what I want to see but then in the same post assume I share the same beliefs as a previous poster. You arent cutting out any middle man. You are propping up straw men and knocking them down.

Please tell me how was your posts on definitions even remotely relevant to my previous post explaining the scientific method? Also, please answer my original question posted in the same post. How do you consider the scientific method as I posted "religious"?

[paulgiamatti]

And in my last post, I don't mean to confuse generic "belief" with belief in the supernatural or belief in the suspension of the laws of physics. Just to avoid that pesky over-attribution - everyone has beliefs. Everyone has ideas, and thoughts, or at least I hope by some amount of their own volition they do.

Just like I will not tolerate any making of offhand remarks like "thank god" or "god only knows", or the participation in traditional holidays as suddenly qualifying someone as a believer of a divine dictatorship or the supernatural, I will not allow the word "belief" to be hijacked by religionists in the same way.

[Eliseus]

Originally Posted by leewong [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You accuse me of reading what I want to see but then in the same post assume I share the same beliefs as a previous poster. You arent cutting out any middle man. You are propping up straw men and knocking them down.

Please tell me how was your posts on definitions even remotely relevant to my previous post explaining the scientific method? Also, please answer my original question posted in the same post. How do you consider the scientific method as I posted "religious"?

Oh one of these people, claims straw MAN for everything that you disagree with. YOU literally asked how science was religious, and I pointed it out.

It's not just sciences but it is ANYTHING that people share the same views as someone else or something else is religious, which was my very first post in this thread, to argue that any views against religion is ridiculous because that view in of itself is a religious view. Then you guys turned it into "science vs religion" and it turned mostly into the hypocritical views you idiots share on how ok it is for someone to be taught things that can be completely fabricated, but because it has the words "science" above it somehow changes the fact that our kids could be preached that instead of religious fabrications. That is the entirety of my points, even more so, off of definitions that I don't just live by, but legit definitions that EVERYONE has access to and lives by, you are INCORRECT in your assertion that sciences is not a religion.

In the end though, like I said, it ultimately doesn't matter here, I'm sure if people like you truly wanted to know the facts of life, you wouldn't be looking for it on a websites called project1999 lol. I don't expect people to change their minds, no matter how logical the situation or argument is here. I do enjoy however bringing up stuff and really seeing how people think or feel or believe. Sometimes it leads into really cool discussions or what if type situations or interesting facts I've never heard or read about that really, are just kind of cool, weather it's a religious view I don't agree with or a scientific view I don't agree with, or an Atheist being, well, an Atheist.

Oh, and to touch up on your last question, because I don't think I really answered that going off on a little rant instead. Well actually I did answer it, you have just chosen several times to ignore it. Religion is more than just the following of a supernatural belief. For example, some guy suggests the big bang is what happened. Even 1 person with the same belief is considered it a religious follow. Religion is more-or-less the idea of sharing the same beliefs/morals/etc.... Not just "hey man, do you believe in God". That is the point of the definitions, which you guys claim are false, because someone in a land that no one can access, random scientists have different definitions of stuff that is incorrect from what the masses believe/know.

[leewong]

Originally Posted by Eliseus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

YOU literally asked how science was religious, and I pointed it out.

You posted the definitions for faith, belief, and religion. That isnt an answer to my question at all. Here I will ask for the third time:

1. Observe something then ask a question - "I wonder how big Earth is..."

2. Think of an experiment to determine an answer to that question - "With some fancy math and measurements of shadows from two locations that are far apart I can answer this!"

3. Conduct the experiment

4. Have others repeat the experiment to confirm the results. If they match up to yours...congrats. You just solved a question using the scientific method.

Tell me, Eliseus, why do you consider this process anything remotely similar to a religion?

According to your very definition of "religious", any two people that believe something share a religion. So, believing in gravity is a religion, thinking your spouse will return home after a days work is a religion, believing you are watching television is a religion, and so is believing the brakes on your car will work. I could go on and on but any sane person knows that isnt what a religion is.

A Webster dictionary definition has multiple meanings listed for a reason. Words are defined by context.

[Eliseus]

Originally Posted by leewong [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You posted the definitions for faith, belief, and religion. That isnt an answer to my question at all. Here I will ask for the third time:

1. Observe something then ask a question - "I wonder how big Earth is..."

2. Think of an experiment to determine an answer to that question - "With some fancy math and measurements of shadows from two locations that are far apart I can answer this!"

3. Conduct the experiment

4. Have others repeat the experiment to confirm the results. If they match up to yours...congrats. You just solved a question using the scientific method.

Tell me, Eliseus, why do you consider this process anything remotely similar to a religion?

According to your very definition of "religious", any two people that believe something share a religion. So, believing in gravity is a religion, thinking your spouse will return home after a days work is a religion, believing you are watching television is a religion, and so is believing the brakes on your car will work. I could go on and on but any sane person knows that isnt what a religion is.

A Webster dictionary definition has multiple meanings listed for a reason. Words are defined by context.

Since I know you think you are smart, so you are going to try and argue your ignorance some more to each point. I'll put in perenthesis what it means, I don't know though if I can break things down to your level of stupidity to help)


1. I wonder if god exists. (Obvious question I would assume)

2. Think of an experiment. (Lets assume prayer)

3. Conduct experiment. (People have received answers to their prayers)

4. Have others conduct the experiment. (Several people have received answers to their prayers)

I'm not sure where you were getting at. You are also correct in your last paragraph, finally you understand. It doesn't matter what you think is correct or not because it doesn't fit your agenda, it is what it is.

[JayN]

[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by Eliseus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Since I know you think you are smart, so you are going to try and argue your ignorance some more to each point. I'll put in perenthesis what it means, I don't know though if I can break things down to your level of stupidity to help)


1. I wonder if god exists. (Obvious question I would assume)

2. Think of an experiment. (Lets assume prayer)

3. Conduct experiment. (People have received answers to their prayers)

4. Have others conduct the experiment. (Several people have received answers to their prayers)

I'm not sure where you were getting at. You are also correct in your last paragraph, finally you understand. It doesn't matter what you think is correct or not because it doesn't fit your agenda, it is what it is.

Honestly trying to figure out if this some kind of a joke.

Prayer "works" less than one percent of the time. Miracles happen 0 percent of the time. Any scientific experiment with results even tenfold more successful, would be thrown out because the rest results are unreliable and absolutely do not show evidence that the initial hypothesis is correct.

[leewong]

Originally Posted by Eliseus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Since I know you think you are smart, so you are going to try and argue your ignorance some more to each point. I'll put in perenthesis what it means, I don't know though if I can break things down to your level of stupidity to help)


1. I wonder if god exists. (Obvious question I would assume)

2. Think of an experiment. (Lets assume prayer)

3. Conduct experiment. (People have received answers to their prayers)

4. Have others conduct the experiment. (Several people have received answers to their prayers)

I'm not sure where you were getting at. You are also correct in your last paragraph, finally you understand. It doesn't matter what you think is correct or not because it doesn't fit your agenda, it is what it is.

Bwahahha! Did you seriously just...hahahahahah...omfg. Ok, time for me to drive home. I will be giggling all the way there. Thanks for the laugh.