Raid Suspension: The Mystical Order

[Rais]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pretty sad a former GM doesn't understand how aggro works.

No but him healing his group members and others on the raid would. Are you being selective just to be a troll or what?

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by Rais [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No but him healing his group members and others on the raid would. Are you being selective just to be a troll or what?

No actually. You are wrong. If the group members had agro, healing them would transfer agro to him. Not the other way around.

[Lazie]

It isn't about just eating the suspension either. I don't mind a week off from raiding. It's about the precedent this particular situation would set that makes you liable for the aggro other guilds build on mobs simply because their FTE message was the first to go off in a zone with 6 dragons in it. It's so easy to manipulate and get another guild banned by this precedent.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Rais [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No but him healing his group members and others on the raid would. Are you being selective just to be a troll or what?

No it wouldn't. They would have to buff him. Are you really this stupid Ambrotos ?

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Former GM?

Yes that is Ambrotos.

[Hitpoint]

Yea, I'm fine with a week off from VP. Hell I'd fine with a week off in general if it was our choice and IB didn't benefit from it. Class R VP week, lets do it.

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yea, I'm fine with a week off from VP. Hell I'd fine with a week off in general if it was our choice and IB didn't benefit from it. Class R VP week, lets do it.

I'd be*

[Rais]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No actually. You are wrong. If the group members had agro, healing them would transfer agro to him. Not the other way around.

That shouldn't be the case. That's not the way it was working before. Even bandaging people should cause chain agro, or any buff to or from a person aggro.

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What I said was that our trainer for Hoshkar during this pull had been killed causing us to lose agro on Hoshkar. Which is absolutely true. Had that not happened, Hosh likely would have continued to balcony and none of this would have occurred. But VP is a dangerous place and shit happens. Things get taken out of context I guess.

This is the only thing that is even worth shit in this entire situation. Glad Hitpoint can fess up as to what happened. Now it makes sense as to how Sirken and Deru ruled.

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by Rais [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That shouldn't be the case. That's not the way it was working before. Even bandaging people should cause chain agro, or any buff to or from a person aggro.

Yes, bandaging a person will transfer agro from the person being bandaged, to the person bandaging, but not the other way around. It's quite easy to test. As far as I know, it's always worked this way.

I didn't need to admit to anything Ambrotos, they have the logs, and you can even see our trainer die in the fraps. It's visible on Bandito's chat log for some reason. Everyone knew that our train up had been killed. It was really asked more as a rhetorical question, to make a point. I still disagree with it and it's a very dangerous precedent. It means that if someone else pulls a dragon and you pull a dragon immediately following that, that the first guild needs to keep agro and move it for ever, and the second guild doesn't have to do shit about it. I don't see how or why this should be any different than a plane of fear kite. If you are pulling a dragon, you should find the train and take responsibility for it. And the other guild shouldn't be forced to keep it occupied indefinitely while you kill the dragon for free.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, bandaging a person will transfer agro from the person being bandaged, to the person bandaging, but not the other way around. It's quite easy to test. As far as I know, it's always worked this way.

I didn't need to admit to anything Ambrotos, they have the logs, and you can even see our trainer die in the fraps. It's visible on Bandito's chat log for some reason. Everyone knew that our train up had been killed. It was really asked more as a rhetorical question, to make a point. I still disagree with it and it's a very dangerous precedent. It means that if someone else pulls a dragon and you pull a dragon immediately following that, that the first guild needs to keep agro and move it for ever, and the second guild doesn't have to do shit about it. I don't see how or why this should be any different than a plane of fear kite. If you are pulling a dragon, you should find the train and take responsibility for it. And the other guild shouldn't be forced to keep it occupied indefinitely while you kill the dragon for free.

Well it's beside the point to add that the Xygoz and Druushk pulls take roughly 20 seconds to get FTE using stalking probes. So both Hokushin and Dolic were in the process of pulling the dragons at the same time. The FTE messages were about 2 and a half seconds apart. Hoshkar has to be moved or he walks down with these dragons on pulls and IB never made an attempt to move him thinking they could sneak pull past him. So we were the ones forced to move Hoshkar out of the way even though Hokushin was the first with FTE. We essentially kept the path clear for them to kill Xygoz.

Yet their bad calls at zone in by Hokushin walked Hoshkar all the way to zone in and trained 2 raids. I am going to enjoy this new precedent set by the GM's though. Wait until IB is about ready to pull and aggro another dragon first FTW.