So how about that Zimmerman trial?

[Kagatob]

People getting their panties in a bunch over fucking 3%. Give me a break.

[TarukShmaruk]

Originally Posted by Malice_Mizer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If it were a white woman, Florida would do some legal acrobatics and this would be a trial of Trayvon Martin in absentia for the assault and attempted rape of Lady Zimmerman. They would then collectively quarter, behead, and burn Martin in effigy.

That's just the way it is.

Actually if this were anything but white v black (which it actually isn't but you can thank the media for this representation - the leftwing media, actually) we would have never even heard about it.

Would it be unreasonable to believe that white home buyers have better education and "a more robust family history of home owners" because people of color have been discriminated against in this country for hundreds of years? To the point to where they were forbiden to but homes in certain areas if permited to at all?

This falls apart when you look at asians and africans who are both immigrants and tend to do much better here than our homegrown black americans.

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by stonez138 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Would it be unreasonable to believe that white home buyers have better education and "a more robust family history of home owners" because people of color have been discriminated against in this country for hundreds of years? To the point to where they were forbiden to but homes in certain areas if permited to at all?

no, that's the whole point. but we can't rewrite history. there's a significant difference between saying minorities are still suffering from the residual effects of historical racism and saying the current state of the real estate market is actively, pervasively, and uniformly racist without any evidence of racist practices on the part of any party with influence over the results of this specific data

[Alawen]

There are multiple studies that show active racism in the real estate industry. There are multiple judgments against prejudicial lenders. My patience, however, is exhausted and I'm going to focus on research and writing for people who, you know, pay me.

[Daldolma]

i can't speak to those studies, i haven't familiarized myself with them. from reading the abstract of the study you originally referenced, no active racism or prejudicial lending was found. what was found was an unexplained 3% premium on transactions in all markets, which did NOT correspond with any prejudice exhibited by the sellers or property markets. lending was controlled so as to eliminate access to loans as a variable entirely.

i find your exasperation unwarranted. you initiated the conversation and emphasized the particular study in question. it's not disproving racism in the real estate market, so there's no reason to grow defensive. it simply isn't proving it. the duke study seems to invite questions as to what hurdles minorities face in achieving an even playing field in the real estate market. but it doesn't prove or even necessarily suggest racism as one of those hurdles

perhaps other studies are more enlightening re: racism

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by stonez138 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Would it be unreasonable to believe that white home buyers have better education and "a more robust family history of home owners" because people of color have been discriminated against in this country for hundreds of years? To the point to where they were forbiden to but homes in certain areas if permited to at all?

I think its an extremely reasonable explanation. That is what Daldoma said earlier: suppose you run a regression and it turns out the "race" variable has a certain predictive power. What does that mean? Well there are three possibilities:

a) certain races are inferior
b) systemic racism
c) your study sucks

In other words you are not measuring something that is correlated with race for whatever reason that is affecting your results. Really it is impossible to prove from the data alone which is the case. You are suggesting 'C', which I think is by far the most likely explanation.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by stonez138 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Would it be unreasonable to believe that white home buyers have better education and "a more robust family history of home owners" because people of color have been discriminated against in this country for hundreds of years? To the point to where they were forbiden to but homes in certain areas if permited to at all?

yes

because everybody is granted the same opportunities at birth

but there's a problem with a few generations with their worship-of-poverty segregating themselves from normal society.

black men making babies and not helping with their rearing as a positive father figure or financial supporter is a statistical truth of our society. it's not racist.

the black men that emphasize the over-sexualization of women, their gang banger images, and their focus on illicit means of obtaining material wealth rather than education and finding real jobs put a stigma on the entire the black population that might not be true for all black people, but is definitely true for the group that actually does it.

still not racisim. because it's simply true.

end the worship-of-poverty... the black people segregating themselves from the rest of the population... and then the inequalities will disappear. because it's not racisim holding them back; it's themselves.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

a) certain races are inferior
b) systemic racism
c) your study sucks

d) worship-of-poverty

[Barkingturtle]

White people must just be a lot better at talking their way out of drug charges.

Blacks so dum lol. Len2hideyostash, imo.

[Malice_Mizer]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yes

because everybody is granted the same opportunities at birth

Hey buddy: do you agree with the notion that, "It's not what you know-- it's who you know"?

Then you automatically admit that America is not some grand, purely meritocratic society that it's fantasized to be. The American Dream is a hoax. If you're going to tell me that some rich dick like Mitt Romney had the exact same chances of success as a child born to a single parent in downtown Detroit, you are seriously delusional.

Equality of opportunity is a lie, and you're too intellectually dishonest to admit it.