What is end game like for normal people?

[Tenlaar]

Also, up to over 50 forages to get mud crabs for my shaman cudgel. Very classic.

And I fell off of Kelethin with my bard and didn't die. NOT CLASSIC!!!1!

[Byrjun]

I don't see the problem with doing planar/sky raids while working on your epic and possibly purchasing MQs along the way. Include actually leveling to 60 and that's a hell of a lot of content to possibly get through. You're months from achieving all of these things, so why not just play the game and reevaluate your priorities after you've gotten level 60, planar armor, and some progress into your epic?

[SupaflyIRL]

Originally Posted by Byrjun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't see the problem with doing planar/sky raids while working on your epic and possibly purchasing MQs along the way. Include actually leveling to 60 and that's a hell of a lot of content to possibly get through. You're months from achieving all of these things, so why not just play the game and reevaluate your priorities after you've gotten level 60, planar armor, and some progress into your epic?

Mostly because "progress" on epics doesn't really mean shit for most classes (bard/sk/necro/ranger/druid/warrior/wizard, pretty much any class that needs something from CT/Inny/Trak/VS) as your bottleneck will be a mob you will never kill, or an absurd amount of plat (300-750k) for the bottleneck pieces.

It'd be nice to be honest with the guy and tell him up front instead of telling him to level to 60 so he can be disappointed after wasting his time.

[Tenlaar]

Originally Posted by Tippett [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's not that way at all though. Multiple guilds have the ability to epic members, even casual ones as long as you play for awhile.

This is what I was referring to about worrying about level 12 before you ask questions about the high end raid scene, you think you understand how it works but obviously have no idea.

It's not all about epics. I've clearly stated that I want to see all the raids I can. I'm sorry if you can't understand somebody putting a little more forethough into their activities to decide if it is worth the time involved. The entire purpose of this thread is to better understand how raiding on the server works and if what I read from people saying TMO gets 90% of raid targets is true.

Originally Posted by Peekae [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I feel like socking is thrown around a lot more than it should. The only time its really seen is late window pops.

I would like to know of it is. Again, all I have to go by here is what you guys on the forum say. How often do raid targets end up in these multi-hour sock fest FTE lotteries? Should I just disregard posts like the one about a guild starting 20 hours into a 96 hour spawn? I am looking for information to counter the very negative impression that I get from those posts.

Originally Posted by India [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

OP, if you've read the forums like you claimed, you would know that it's not all gloom and doom. There are some wonderfully fun & nice people that play this game. You would have found that there are numerous guilds that do things that don't require you to poopsock. You'd also know that Velious is on the way, and once released Kunark raid targets will likely be available to others.

You stated that you "made a mistake" by reading the forums first. So you realize somewhere inside yourself that the forums are not representative of the actual community, nor even the people of those guilds you already claim to dislike without even knowing the members within.

In knowing all this I can't help but wonder what the actual purpose of this thread was for. To trash talk guilds? The raiding scene as it stands? Attention?

Here's something crazy to consider: I want to raid Velious targets too. Saying that I'll be able to raid Kunark targets when there are Velious targets to try as well is the same situation people are denying is happening now. If you really can't figure out what the purpose of the thread is, let me say it again: I am asking you guys to counter the bad, which is all that is available on the forums regarding raiding. If there is NOTHING to be found here that is positive regarding raiding, how am I or any other new person supposed to weigh things properly? As far as claiming to dislike guilds, that mainly goes for TMO. I don't know the people in it (though surely guild leadership must know how the vocal forum members make it look), but you know what I do know? They train anybody who tries to break into VP. That is all that I need to know about them.

There is no troll here. I am not mad, I am not jelly. In this very thread there are a handful of people who have basically said if you're not in TMO, FE, or to a lesser extent BDA, you're limited to clearing the planes, some epic mobs, and some small scale stuff. Who am I supposed to believe? I normally don't mind running an expansion behind for raids but when the server is locked at three expansions that doesn't really work.

What I don't understand is why it seems to make people angry that I saw something that did not look good about the server and asked for people to tell me the other side of it. If you guys are saying that it's not true, what raid targets have other guilds gotten recently? How many other guilds can help their members get a bard or SK epic without buying a MQ?

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by Tenlaar

I would like to know of it is. Again, all I have to go by here is what you guys on the forum say. How often do raid targets end up in these multi-hour sock fest FTE lotteries? Should I just disregard posts like the one about a guild starting 20 hours into a 96 hour spawn? I am looking for information to counter the very negative impression that I get from those posts.

Honestly, the only mobs you see socked are VS and Trak. The majority of those instances are when the mob is late in window. However, sometimes one guild was bring a group down to the VS pit to xp, and the next thing you know you have a cold war style escalation with both sides sitting on the spawn all because someone tipped their hand slightly. That's where the early window socks come from. And those usually disband in relatively short order once people think rationally and do some math.

[Tenlaar]

I would appreciate if you would leave your poor and inflammatory attitude out of what was a completely civil discussion.

[Tippett]

I apologize for what you perceive as poor attitude but you are getting exaggerations from people and also I find their own butthurtness about not having an epic annoying.

There is no reason you would be "bottlenecked" on your epic considering it's constantly farmed and you can either farm plat and buy the MQ pieces you need for one, join a raid guild which competes to kill the mobs who drop pieces, or a combination of both.

Epics are not rare at all on this server and are easily within the grasp of any player who actually puts effort into obtaining one.

[Tenlaar]

You honestly considering joining a raid guild in order to get an epic drop as a viable solution? Let's go with my bard's epic some day.

"Hey, I have no real interest in your raid schedule and might make a couple raids a week if I feel like it. There is no way you are going to call me in to kill something when I'm not already playing. I also won't pretend that I like the way you guys conduct yourself. Oh, yeah, and I really just want to get this epic drop and spend as little time with you as possible."

Is TMO going to let me in their guild? Would you? Should I lie until I get what I want and then leave?

That leaves spending months banking plat until I can afford to buy it from the very people who are keeping me from attempting to gain the drop with other guilds who enjoy a play style more similar to my own.

[Dweed]

Originally Posted by Tenlaar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"Hey, I have no real interest in your raid schedule and might make a couple raids a week if I feel like it. There is no way you are going to call me in to kill something when I'm not already playing. I also won't pretend that I like the way you guys conduct yourself. Oh, yeah, and I really just want to get this epic drop and spend as little time with you as possible."

You don't quite know about modern bat phones it seems. You subscribe to your guilds twitter, they post to call targets if anything happens. Via twitter you can have those posts txted to you. You can also designate hours of the day that twitter won't relay messages (sleeping). No one in guild will have your number, no one can call you. No mandatory raids, people jump on if they can when the txt goes out.

A few raids a week might cut it on attendance.

Aside from your blatant "spend as little time with you as possible." That's just being silly.

[Tippett]

So let me get this right, you think EQ is worthless without getting ultra high end raid drops but also refuse to contribute in anyway to a guild that kills ultra high end raid mobs?

EZ server def sounds like a better fit for your demands, you can get epics without having to deal with other "people" and contribute to "guilds you dont like".