Inny FTE rules clarification

[Tasslehofp99]

lol we been going through this for months and months on end, but nothing changes...so just figure out new ways to get FTE. Apparently TMO is allowed to train in PoHate when they know they will lose a mob, or kite dragons around zones for 5-10 minutes while there is a raid force in zone until TMO has more then 8 people in zone to kill it(fraps of sev being kited around city of mist apparently don't prove anything). I wouldn't suggest trying those things if you aren't in TMO, but yeah.

I give up with the entire FTE argument, we all know its a broken and bullshit rule made up to benefit TMO, and when it stops benefitting them it will be changed. Hence why I came up with my idea for a server-wide all out poopsock alliance against TMO until something changes.

[Fazlazen]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lol we been going through this for months and months on end, but nothing changes...so just figure out new ways to get FTE. Apparently TMO is allowed to train in PoHate when they know they will lose a mob, or kite dragons around zones for 5-10 minutes while there is a raid force in zone until TMO has more then 8 people in zone to kill it(fraps of sev being kited around city of mist apparently don't prove anything). I wouldn't suggest trying those things if you aren't in TMO, but yeah.

I give up with the entire FTE argument, we all know its a broken and bullshit rule made up to benefit TMO, and when it stops benefitting them it will be changed. Hence why I came up with my idea for a server-wide all out poopsock alliance against TMO until something changes.

can I get some of that kool-aid?

[Smilkers]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hence why I came up with my idea for a server-wide all out poopsock alliance against TMO until something changes.

Shaere thought of this first, do you remember "no truce with the shadow"?
and he was laughed off the server.
I like you Tassel, but really?

[YendorLootmonkey]

How can we compete when the rules keep changing?

FACT: The raid rules are here. Effective July 2012.

FACT: In order to compete on this server within the given ruleset, you have to know the rules.

FACT: We are now being told that some encounters are first to damage, which is contradictory to the posted raid rules.

So if we don't know the rules, how is anyone supposed to compete on this server?

Please update the raid rules if there are different rules for different encounters so we can adapt accordingly and compete on a level playing field. Otherwise, please be consistent with the raid rules and rulings in accordance with the raid rules. Again, no one is saying TMO didn't have FTE... the logs clearly show that. We're concerned about "what rules are in effect on a particular mob so we can best position ourselves to compete for ownership of the kill?"

It's like playing a game of football and the refs deciding amongst themselves whether they're playing by college or NFL rules, and not telling you until the yellow flag is thrown and the penalty is assessed, and then potentially changing which rules they're going by before each play.

[Eccezan]

Haven't read the walls of text in this thread, but it seems that Metallicass is still an annoying piece of shit. amirite? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[TWDL_Prexus]

Originally Posted by Eccezan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Haven't read the walls of text in this thread, but it seems that Metallicass is still an annoying piece of shit. amirite? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pretty much TMO in a nutshell, for all those new to the server.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How can we compete when the rules keep changing?

FACT: The raid rules are here. Effective July 2012.

FACT: In order to compete on this server within the given ruleset, you have to know the rules.

FACT: We are now being told that some encounters are first to damage, which is contradictory to the posted raid rules.

So if we don't know the rules, how is anyone supposed to compete on this server?

Please update the raid rules if there are different rules for different encounters so we can adapt accordingly and compete on a level playing field. Otherwise, please be consistent with the raid rules and rulings in accordance with the raid rules. Again, no one is saying TMO didn't have FTE... the logs clearly show that. We're concerned about "what rules are in effect on a particular mob so we can best position ourselves to compete for ownership of the kill?"

It's like playing a game of football and the refs deciding amongst themselves whether they're playing by college or NFL rules, and not telling you until the yellow flag is thrown and the penalty is assessed, and then potentially changing which rules they're going by before each play.

Pay attention now,

the week of thanksgiving i sat in Vent with multiple representatives from each BDA, FE, and TMO. they brought up the same crap you are bringing up, and probably for the same reasons. one of the very first things that was brought up was why dont they have a concrete black and white set of rules? it was a very fair question, and i told them all at that time, the reason for that is because every situation is different, every mob is different, and we absolutely no intentions of ever painting the raid scene rules in one simple brush stroke, because it's simply invites loopholing and rule lawyering, and we wont be dealing with that. we are going to use the common sense rule around here. if thats to hard to understand, maybe you should pass the torch.

as much as i hate wasting my time by repeating the same thing, i'm going to go ahead and assume that nobody from your guild bothered to share anything from our NATO Guild Summit with you, or with your guildies, for whatever reason.

the rules do not exist for you and your pals to try and work around, nor do they exist for you to try and find loopholes in wording to gain an unintended advantage, nor do they exist so that some young lawyer can try and pass the p99 bar exam.

the rules exist, and you know what they are for the most part, as different things present themselves, the rules will be adjusted to keep up with the times. when in doubt, use common sense, because when i look at a situation, i use common sense to decide who gets the mob, or who gets banned, or who gets the camp, or who gets the loots, or who gets FTE etc etc. regardless of how you try to work around it, i will always enforce the spirit of the rule.

now i have explained this issue multiple times on multiple levels, i'm considering the matter settled. if you have further legitimate questions and not just butt hurt QQ, then make a petition in the petition/exploit section, or send me, or another staff member a PM. any player that sends me a legitimate question via PM has always gotten a response.


i hope you have a wonderful day,
Love,
Sirks

[Enygma]

Originally Posted by Metallikus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sirken announced TMO had FTE and loot rights to Inny. The logs showed crazyeyes as first to agro on the encounter log. That would obviously be enough to satisfy the raiders as FTE has been the rule. But afterwards Sirken joins guildchat and makes claims to counter his ruling by saying Inny is not first to agro but rather first to damage? What is up with that? Does anyone know the actual rules to raiding anymore?

logs of Sirken in guild chat trying to explain the FTE ruling for 1/4/3 Inny kill:

[Fri Jan 04 20:54:24 2013] Sirken tells the guild, 'GM Sirken here'
[Fri Jan 04 20:54:40 2013] Sirken tells the guild, 'I dont want to explain the same things 100x, so here goes'
[Fri Jan 04 20:55:02 2013] Sirken tells the guild, 'Different mobs = different situations'
[Fri Jan 04 20:55:23 2013] Sirken tells the guild, 'People pull inny to ent. whereas every sits on trak spawn spot for ft '
[Fri Jan 04 20:55:38 2013] Sirken tells the guild, 'So thats why dam is required for inny and not trak'
[Fri Jan 04 20:55:58 2013] Sirken tells the guild, 'Theres no conspiracy, its common sense based on what we can see in the logs'

Metallikus crying since 1999.

[Enygma]

Crazyeyes King of FTE?

[Handull]

PS i tried to keep my post civil. honestly i'm not sure why GMs even both responding in public posts around here. whatever they say is taken like some infallible gospel and people jump at the chance to prove them wrong. just wanted to add that bit, and I trust the GMs can ignore the trolls/fools and just think about all this logically.