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[Lexical]

Some facts about AA:

1. around 40% of participants drop out before the end of the first year
2. only about 20% show long term recovery.
3. AA preaches abstinence not true rehabilitation which would being able to enjoy a drink now and then.

Some sauce: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effecti...lics_Anonymous

There have been many other successful programs that teach people to drink responsibly and have nothing to do with high powers or any of that spiritual garbage. It teaches willpower and has a high percentage of people completing the program. AA hides behind the numbers it drops with the attitude of "oh they didn't want to get better." The entirety of it is flawed from the get go as it doesn't instill self empowerment but misplaces the addiction which is not healthy for future brain development.

[Lexical]

For clarity on number 2.

Only 20% of the people remaining exhibit long term recovery.

[Hailto]

Hasn't it been proven with at least some scientific basis that if you are a true alcoholic there is no rehabilitation in the sense than you can begin to drink occasionally again with no problem? This is only what i have heard others say mind you, i don't know about the validity of it it.

[Lexical]

Originally Posted by Hailto [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hasn't it been proven with at least some scientific basis that if you are a true alcoholic there is no rehabilitation in the sense than you can begin to drink occasionally again with no problem? This is only what i have heard others say mind you, i don't know about the validity of it it.

There is a lot of theories on the matter since Psychology is still a young science. There have been many successful programs in Europe, Central America and North America that actually slowly wane alcoholics off of it and then facilitate a healthier behavior that assumes the problem stems from grabbing a drink when reacting to something being social awkwardness, stress, etc. and then cognitively develop other mediums for dealing with such psychological situations.

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How's it anonymous when your name is over your character?

[ForeverLost]

MM is a better program.

http://www.moderation.org/

[gotrocks]

its pretty much been proven that true alcoholics cant ever drink "socially" (ie, taking a couple drinks every now and then).

There have been a ton of studies on this. If you're an alcoholic, you're always an alcoholic. You can't condition someone to not be one because its brain chemistry. The programs that are claiming to show people how to drink responsibly are bullshit - that may work for a year, maybe 2 or 3 or 4, but eventually that person is going to go back to being an alcoholic.

doesnt matter what program you're in, long term recovery from alcoholism is extremely rare and difficult. I'd say 20% is probably too high, its more like 10%. Pretty sure thats the highest recovery rate of any program long term. Other programs boast having over 50%, but thats generally after a year at most, and it falls off rapidly after that to around 2-3% if that.

I've done a ton of reading on this for both sides. I've got a really good book you should check out if you're interested in the subject, il try to find the title.

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Originally Posted by gotrocks [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

its pretty much been proven that true alcoholics cant ever drink "socially" (ie, taking a couple drinks every now and then).

Give me a source that proves it and I will give you 10 that refute it. Addiction isn't some disease although that is what AA would want you to believe. Granted the severity of addiction does have some to with genetic make up of the addicted that much is proven, but for the vast majority of people who are classified as an alcoholic, they can be completely rehabilitated and have a couple of drinks here and there.

Originally Posted by gotrocks [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There have been a ton of studies on this. If you're an alcoholic, you're always an alcoholic. You can't condition someone to not be one because its brain chemistry. The programs that are claiming to show people how to drink responsibly are bullshit - that may work for a year, maybe 2 or 3 or 4, but eventually that person is going to go back to being an alcoholic.


doesnt matter what program you're in, long term recovery from alcoholism is extremely rare and difficult. I'd say 20% is probably too high, its more like 10%. Pretty sure thats the highest recovery rate of any program long term. Other programs boast having over 50%, but thats generally after a year at most, and it falls off rapidly after that to around 2-3% if that.

More AA nonsense propaganda. Give me dat sauce.

Originally Posted by gotrocks [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've done a ton of reading on this for both sides. I've got a really good book you should check out if you're interested in the subject, il try to find the title.

Give it to me as long as it isn't an AA pamphlet.

But here is some reading for you in the mean time that validates everything I have stated.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/...logy-addiction

http://www.psychologytoday.com/basics/addiction

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Originally Posted by Lemmy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you engage the jehovas witnesses that come to your door too?

I do! I met one that was actually a nano-physicist and we had a really engaging conversation over some tea. Most are not nano-physicists sadly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Godefroi]

oh my god, go talk to a psychologist, this is a fun game not a fucking hospital !!!