Gun People / Gun Haters

[gotrocks]

Originally Posted by Goofier [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Cool, great, I agree, too.



And that's you on your soapbox, talking about gun issues and your position.

Then do tell me, what is my position?

[Tarathiel]

Originally Posted by Thulack [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Never seen anyone go and stab 28 people to death..... just saying...

granted these children didnt die, its still no less of a tragedy, and it happened yesterday so i still think its relevant

http://www.deccanherald.com/content/...ing-spree.html

[Thulack]

Originally Posted by Tarathiel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

granted these children didnt die, its still no less of a tragedy, and it happened yesterday so i still think its relevant

http://www.deccanherald.com/content/...ing-spree.html

22 injured not dead.

[Thulack]

and none of them died. That should even reinforce the point more.

[gotrocks]

Originally Posted by Alawen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Never mind, my sister just explained it to me. It's because all of you internalize this, thinking about yourselves. You think of your own children and your own schools. You don't give a fuck about the spindly brown children who live in the desert because they don't make you think of yourselves.

This is not actual empathy, it's fear for your own safety. You're actually selfish fucks pretending to give a shit about someone else.

Alawen, american's DO mourn the loss of life around the country going on on a daily basis.

I don't think theres a single one of us here who doesn't empathize with children dying in Africa or the middle east.

I think the only difference (for most people, and you're right its not everyone) is that this is new, a new tragedy, a new loss of life, something we want to speak out against and try to lend our support to the families who are suffering.

Also, it just adds to our collective rage that the gunman was some murdering psychopath who decided to shoot up a bunch of kids. I'm sure arguments could be made for murdering psychopaths in other countries, but this one isn't an argument - this guy was clearly fucked in the head, and he decided to take out a large number of innocent children because of it.

And yes, some of the rage/empathy DOES come from this being so close to home.

That doesn't make anyone's empathy fake. Its callous to say so.

[Alawen]

Originally Posted by Itap [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why are you being so obtuse? Why do you assume that we do not mourn the loss of all children?

Because you don't post about it?

I really do get it now. It's because it's familiar. It makes you realize that the school your own children go to could be the next spot. Maybe after enough schools get shot up, you'll start thinking that a society full of guns isn't such a good idea.

But you'll still demand cheap food, gasoline, and manufactured goods, and turn a blind eye to what policies it takes to make those things happen.

I don't have children of my own. My primary interaction with children is tutoring inner city middle school kids in English and math. They're mostly black and Latino. Some of them are Muslim. All of them are poor. These are the lucky ones.

They're all children to me and there is nothing special about some suburban white kids who suddenly got exposed to the violence that permeates our country and our culture. Next week, all of you will return to your suburban lives and illusion of safety until the next time reality invades. Some of the kids I see are in actual danger of catching a bullet; it is likely that some of them will die to gun violence. It is even more likely that they will see the same discrimination and economic disadvantage as their parents.

None of this counts, though, you fucking racists.

[gotrocks]

bah, country. i meant to say the world.

[Tarathiel]

Originally Posted by Alawen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Never mind, my sister just explained it to me. It's because all of you internalize this, thinking about yourselves. You think of your own children and your own schools. You don't give a fuck about the spindly brown children who live in the desert because they don't make you think of yourselves.

This is not actual empathy, it's fear for your own safety. You're actually selfish fucks pretending to give a shit about someone else.

im glad she could clear that up for you, since you are obviously so dim-witted that you dont understand a basic human emotion. yes part of my empathy revolves around the fact that i am a father. you know because i put myself in the shoes of those parent's who lost their kids and it makes me feel sad for them. EMPATHY. i feel the same loss anytime i read one of these stories, so dont assume that just because people want to mourn this tragedy and not another that we are somehow "selfish." if anything blame the media for not bringing more attention to the other problems in the world. dont blame the people just are trying to make sense out of such a horrific act of violence.

oh and the difference between this and say, kids dying in afganistan due to war. is that this was a planned out and executed attack on CHILDREN. we dont go to afganistan dropping bombs with the intention of killing children, we know it might happen but its a necessary risk when talking about war. you cannot compare the act of a military operation to the act of one depraved individual. they arent even on the same fucking level and its weak comparison at best.

[Daldolma]

Confirmed being upset about the mass murder of 20 children makes you a racist.

I give you P99 RnF.

[Charlton Heston]

Originally Posted by Thulack [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

and none of them died. That should even reinforce the point more.

Shutup you idiot if you don't like the Bill of Rights you can move to some socialist shithole.



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