Game Mechanics: Initial Aggro/Hatelist Missle Lock

[Yibz]

Yeah I see what you're saying about undead aggro and rogue evade but I'm saying the global aggro mechanics are not like they were on live.

Fansy was able to wreck hundreds of people not because he was using undead mobs or evading on top of people but because sand giants would prox aggro others even though they were engaged and being trained.

[Sundawg]

Originally Posted by Yibz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah I see what you're saying about undead aggro and rogue evade but I'm saying the global aggro mechanics are not like they were on live.

Fansy was able to wreck hundreds of people not because he was using undead mobs or evading on top of people but because sand giants would prox aggro others even though they were engaged and being trained.

Yes, I agree Yibiz, I was just pointing out more details on how that happens.

[Yibz]

If you ran a train by a group, everyone sitting would be attacked immediately. If you were not sitting you would still be added to the hate list and if the trainer zoned it you can bet your ass they'd be after you next.

[nilbog]

Originally Posted by Yibz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you were not sitting you would still be added to the hate list and if the trainer zoned it you can bet your ass they'd be after you next.

Do you have any idea when this mechanic was removed from eqlive? It does not exist on eqmac which is planes of power era. We need as many specifics as possible before making this particular change.

[heartbrand]

I understand my "recollection" is not an allakhazam post or some shit circa 2000, but I'm telling you, I @ the ripe age of 14 or w/e I was then got suspended multiple times for training people by simply running the mobs past them and zoning. And yes, sitting ppl always got insta gibbed

[nilbog]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I understand my "recollection" is not an allakhazam post or some shit circa 2000, but I'm telling you, I @ the ripe age of 14 or w/e I was then got suspended multiple times for training people by simply running the mobs past them and zoning. And yes, sitting ppl always got insta gibbed

Yeah, but we're talking about guk and you need to be specific. Think about it.. if you run kos npcs past people, to a zoneline. Those npcs walking back will encounter the same people, most likely. If you train people at a zoneline, they obviously will pick up proximity aggro as well.

In an area such as Oasis, imagine you did the same thing for a sand giant. If you zoned it at the far northwest zone line after running past someone at the docks. If that giant didn't naturally path back towards the docks, would it remember those poor individuals from all the way across the zone, or would it head back to its normal path?

[heartbrand]

It would remember the poor individual is how I recall it. /shrug

[Yibz]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you have any idea when this mechanic was removed from eqlive? It does not exist on eqmac which is planes of power era. We need as many specifics as possible before making this particular change.

On the Fansy website he has logs dated July 2001 - he is warned that he will be banned if he continued to disrupt zones by training. That would suffice to say it should be this way through the majority if not entirety of Velious. And yes, the giants in oasis would B line to those that had been prox aggrod after Fansy zoned.

[Mon Jul 09 08:10:42 2001] Djembe tells you, 'Hello this is GM Djembe do you have a moment?'
[Mon Jul 09 08:10:47 2001] * GM-Admin *[60 Warlock] Djembe (Erudite) ZONE: oasis
[Mon Jul 09 08:10:52 2001] You told Djembe, 'sure'
[Mon Jul 09 08:11:03 2001] Djembe tells you, 'we need to talk about your zone disruption you are causing.'
[Mon Jul 09 08:11:18 2001] You told Djembe, 'Alright. I have petitioned several times to ask if it was a problem'
[Mon Jul 09 08:11:32 2001] You told Djembe, 'One guide said it was perfectly legal, so I continued.'
[Mon Jul 09 08:12:15 2001] Djembe tells you, 'I would say it is legal if you were of a level where others could take recourse on you. But at level 5 they cannot do that now can they?'
[Mon Jul 09 08:12:49 2001] You told Djembe, 'Very true, which is why I chose this level.'
[Mon Jul 09 08:13:15 2001] You told Djembe, 'There were no rules against it when I began. Is one being created?' [Mon Jul 09 08:13:38 2001] Djembe tells you, 'there has always been a rule about zone disruptions.'
[Mon Jul 09 08:15:07 2001] Djembe tells you, 'at some point you will get board of this little trick, and possibly venture on up in levels... what do you think you are doing to your reputation at this time?'
[Mon Jul 09 08:15:30 2001] You told Djembe, 'I don't care what the bad guys think of me.'
[Mon Jul 09 08:16:26 2001] You told Djembe, 'Can you repeat to me the rule of zone disruption? I'm having trouble finding it on the everquest.com site'
[Mon Jul 09 08:17:35 2001] Djembe tells you, 'let me pull the reference'
[Mon Jul 09 08:20:13 2001] Djembe tells you, 'rule 13 applies because the Play Nice Policy is removed due to players being able to resolve this conflict through combat. You have nullified the rule in that they cannot take recourse.'
[Mon Jul 09 08:20:38 2001] You told Djembe, 'Alright. Would this apply to a team member training his own team?' [Mon Jul 09 08:21:00 2001] Djembe tells you, 'I am more concerned wiith zone disruptions'
[Mon Jul 09 08:16:03 2001] Djembe tells you, 'I would say you are not breaking rules other than causing a zone disruption. It is warnable, but not terminable' (My account is about 1 warning away from being banned, so I dropped it.)
[Mon Jul 09 08:21:25 2001] You told Djembe, 'Djembe, since you want me to stop, I will.'
[Mon Jul 09 08:22:01 2001] Djembe tells you, 'ok, great I am glad we had this talk.'
[Mon Jul 09 08:22:47 2001] Djembe tells you, 'be safe and stay well'

[Num1RecommendedByDentists]

literally anyone who played everquest in classic, kunark, and/or velious would agree with this here

[Yibz]

Bump! Let's all get classic.