FTE is Fing stupid

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Originally Posted by Llabak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Goes both way. Last week (or was it the week before?) TMO wiped on Trak and sniped FTE with a skeleton crew of people, half of whom were still rez-effected. Regardless of who is doing it, it sucks.

FWIW, I've said as much to my guild. FTE sniping is stupid.

.... except our skeleton crew was 26 VP geared raiders.....way more than enough to kill Trak.

So really..... it doesnt go both ways, as much as BDA likes to delude itself.

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Originally Posted by Sprokets [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

IB and VD went through the same thing. There was one streak of VD even taking several trak kills. Gonna take alot more than 6 VS kills to make TMO nervous. I may be wrong, just my take on it.

They only got 5, and not in a row.

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Originally Posted by suptoofs [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Before anything, I am not flaming anyone in TMO

But seriously, how many of these Kubark raid bosses could you possibly still need? Aside from VP and possible a few epic piece kills? Your alts alts alt alt has to be fully equipped by now.

This question seems to come up in nearly every discussion I witness on the topic of endgame raid mob distribution. TMO does not raid to gear mains, alts, alts of alts - etc. We raid to kill mobs. We raid to compete. The loot, whoever we award it to, is a by-product of our efforts, not the goal. If TMO ever stops raiding and throws in the towel, which I don't see happening any time soon, it will be because we no longer want to kill raid mobs and compete - never because we don't "need" the loot.

--Upbeat

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Originally Posted by toyodafenninro [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This question seems to come up in nearly every discussion I witness on the topic of endgame raid mob distribution. TMO does not raid to gear mains, alts, alts of alts - etc. We raid to kill mobs. We raid to compete. The loot, whoever we award it to, is a by-product of our efforts, not the goal. If TMO ever stops raiding and throws in the towel, which I don't see happening any time soon, it will be because we no longer want to kill raid mobs and compete - never because we don't "need" the loot.

--Upbeat

What are you competing against? It seems that most guilds are casual raiding, and even then, by the time a smaller guild mobilizes the boss is already down. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Originally Posted by Llabak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Rotation:
TMO
BDA

4) For both guilds this will increase kills on a prime mob. BDA will likely get more Traks, TMO will get more VSs. As I understand it, TMO has a month and a half VS drought. In that 6 week window they would have had 2 guaranteeds and possibly 2 more.

5) For TMO, this really isn't going to impact them terribly in terms of pixels. Considering the number of endgame mobs that spawn outside normal BDA windows, there will be a goodly number of 20-minute windows that BDA just won't be able to get, and if that's our turn, that's our turn and move on to the next on the list.

Here is my proposed rotation

VS:
TMO

Trakanon:
TMO

Other shit
TMO
TMO
BDA
Open

4)You are misinformed we got this vs and one two spawns ago.
5)We don't raid for pixels. We are a raiding guild who raids too.....RAID derp. If we stop raiding TMO has no purpose here. We are trying to maintain interest by gearing alts and continuing to gear mains and new players while we wait... FOREVER for Velious.
So no we aren't going to stop doing what we are doing for... you?

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Originally Posted by suptoofs [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What are you competing against? It seems that most guilds are casual raiding, and even then, by the time a smaller guild mobilizes the boss is already down. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No offense, but this question seems a bit odd considering the nature of the OP's post, but I'll bite. We are competing against other guilds. At the moment the main competitor is BDA. I suspect, although I cannot prove it, that other competition will manifest itself with the approach of velious and the attainment of level 60 by many of the new players mentioned in earlier replies.

We also compete against ourselves. We discuss how well, or poorly, we did on any particular encounter or mobilization. If we wipe, we talk about it.

Competition doesn't necessarily mean a near-tie 100% of the time.

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Originally Posted by toyodafenninro [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No offense, but this question seems a bit odd considering the nature of the OP's post, but I'll bite. We are competing against other guilds. At the moment the main competitor is BDA. I suspect, although I cannot prove it, that other competition will manifest itself with the approach of velious and the attainment of level 60 by many of the new players mentioned in earlier replies.

We also compete against ourselves. We discuss how well, or poorly, we did on any particular encounter or mobilization. If we wipe, we talk about it.

Competition doesn't necessarily mean a near-tie 100% of the time.

There aren't any guilds really competing against you, BDA barely manages to and you call them your main competitor. rofl. When velious pops the playing field will be more level only because there will be a decent increase in raid targets.

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Originally Posted by Portsche [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only way you're getting a rotation out of TMO is by consistently beating us with the rules the way they are now. Same way we did it to TR/IB.

And VS can be one-grouped, so your logic is flawed on that.

With this attitude and the way TMO approaches other guilds on this server, if any other guild present or future consistently beats TMO to mobs, I'd say good luck getting a rotation.

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Originally Posted by suptoofs [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There aren't any guilds really competing against you, BDA barely manages to and you call them your main competitor. rofl. When velious pops the playing field will be more level only because there will be a decent increase in raid targets.

If everyone else is doing a poor job mobilizing, and BDA manages to be the best of those who try - yea, they are our main competitor. "rofl."

When Velious pops, I assure you we will be doing everything in our power to kill as many of the available raid targets, regardless of how well the closest competition is doing or how much loot we need. Will that be more difficult to do, and thus "level" the playing field? Maybe, but I wouldn't count on it. There's easily 40-50 inactive TMO players who will be returning when Winter is REALLY coming. We also have our alts, which can be leveled to 60 to provide more coverage. Maybe we'll raid on two factions! Maybe we'll go to Disneyland...

I just wouldn't assume that suddenly there will be opportunity to casually saunter to raid targets and easily get loots, just because more of said targets exist.

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Originally Posted by toyodafenninro [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If everyone else is doing a poor job mobilizing, and BDA manages to be the best of those who try - yea, they are our main competitor. "rofl."

When Velious pops, I assure you we will be doing everything in our power to kill as many of the available raid targets, regardless of how well the closest competition is doing or how much loot we need. Will that be more difficult to do, and thus "level" the playing field? Maybe, but I wouldn't count on it. There's easily 40-50 inactive TMO players who will be returning when Winter is REALLY coming. We also have our alts, which can be leveled to 60 to provide more coverage. Maybe we'll raid on two factions! Maybe we'll go to Disneyland...

I just wouldn't assume that suddenly there will be opportunity to casually saunter to raid targets and easily get loots, just because more of said targets exist.

Every other guild on this server is too casual right now to present any real competition.