Outlaw Powerleveling

[Swish]

I don't see much sense in any of what you're posting funnily. You're acting as if boxing would be healthy for the server... while those that don't box have to put up with either soloing or converting to boxing. What's one of live's downfalls for a lot of people? Mercs, I hated the mercs and the anti-social playstyles that developed because of them. I'd say it killed the community spirit of the servers in fact.

What if a person's original EQ experience from 1999-2001 included 2 boxing? I know I started 2 boxing pretty early since my brother played a cleric, which was necessary, and he didn't play at the same hours as me. So my classic EQ experience includes 2 boxing.

It wasn't until Kunark that 2-boxing really started to take off. I noticed the difference immediately, token tank running through a zone with cleric on auto-follow. All very handy for a group situation, except tells weren't replied to and the guy pulling the strings wanted to solo. Sure, play your way... but bear in mind a bunch of other classes would have loved to have joined in rather than struggle.

And for your poor rogue that leveled into the teens and ran into people 2 boxing who didn't want to group... What does he do now if he levels up to the teens and sees a bunch of people soloing who don't want to group? It's the same thing. You pretend like eliminating 2 boxing suddenly makes everyone want to group together.

The server has worked quite well, in that if there's a shortage of a class there tends to be a shift towards people starting alts? Tanks, clerics, the works. Less LFG time is always a bonus right? Except we all know that a tank and cleric is fairly slow going without any dps...so people will group. That's what the old era was about, grouping. That's what people arguably come to this server to do... meet people, group up, make friends and enjoy the experience over again.

Allow boxing, and everyone turns anti-social, class options are no longer realistic options unless you too are boxing. You pretend like mass boxing will still result in a healthy proportion of all classes being played.

I'd be all for a blue boxing allowed server. I bet blue boxing would kill blue off though, so I doubt the devs would go for such an idea.

I'd argue the opposite. Most newcomers who are playing solo (ie, not with the "wife", "brother" etc) will not head to a boxing server... because there's not much chance of levelling along with a boxer unless they know him/her already. Therefore your pool of boxing potential players is limited to those who are here already, and many of those (though not all) won't want to start at Day 0 and level characters from the beginning without twinked gear.

[Picked]

I see what your saying Swish. Makes a lot of sense. I'm happy with the way the server is now, and wouldn't want to get to a point where I rely on boxing. It's stressful. I play to enjoy the game. But I will stand by what I said earlier about playing on live and getting groups mostly with boxed tank/cleric. I would say that at least half the groups I was in had a boxed character for either group essentials or even just buffs outside the group.

[Servellious]

Not sure why people bitch about power leveling, make some friends and get a group going. My friends and I take turns power leveling each, scratch each others back in a sense

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't see much sense in any of what you're posting funnily. You're acting as if boxing would be healthy for the server... while those that don't box have to put up with either soloing or converting to boxing. What's one of live's downfalls for a lot of people? Mercs, I hated the mercs and the anti-social playstyles that developed because of them. I'd say it killed the community spirit of the servers in fact.

If you didn't understand the argument I was making, just say so. No need to try and refute the argument with irrelevant counterarguments. You still don't seem to understand, so I'll try to rephrase it. What I'm saying is that the 2 boxers (who don't group) you see running around on servers that allow it are likely the same people who solo on P99. Some people like being self sufficient. Allowing 2 boxing doesn't suddenly turn someone who likes to group and interact with people into someone who likes to do things on their own.

It wasn't until Kunark that 2-boxing really started to take off. I noticed the difference immediately, token tank running through a zone with cleric on auto-follow. All very handy for a group situation, except tells weren't replied to and the guy pulling the strings wanted to solo. Sure, play your way... but bear in mind a bunch of other classes would have loved to have joined in rather than struggle.

Again, does it really bother someone more to see a 2 boxer grinding xp and not allowing them to join vs. a soloer grinding xp and not allowing them to join? I'd think not, as the result is the same.

The server has worked quite well, in that if there's a shortage of a class there tends to be a shift towards people starting alts? Tanks, clerics, the works. Less LFG time is always a bonus right? Except we all know that a tank and cleric is fairly slow going without any dps...so people will group. That's what the old era was about, grouping. That's what people arguably come to this server to do... meet people, group up, make friends and enjoy the experience over again.

That's your experience. I've not had good luck in finding decent groups back when I was grinding to 60. Too many times they'd want the shaman to handle buffs, slows, and heals since they couldn't find an enc or cleric. A boxed enc just for buffs would have been amazing in those situations, and probably would have held some groups together when instead they broke apart.

Allow boxing, and everyone turns anti-social, class options are no longer realistic options unless you too are boxing. You pretend like mass boxing will still result in a healthy proportion of all classes being played.

This is just plain bizarre. People don't change who they are based on how many everquest characters they play. If they like grouping, they'll probably continue to group whether they're playing 1 or 2 characters. And it's not like on a boxing server, suddenly have 90% of the population being monks and shaman.

I'd argue the opposite. Most newcomers who are playing solo (ie, not with the "wife", "brother" etc) will not head to a boxing server... because there's not much chance of levelling along with a boxer unless they know him/her already. Therefore your pool of boxing potential players is limited to those who are here already, and many of those (though not all) won't want to start at Day 0 and level characters from the beginning without twinked gear.

If I was playing solo, I'd certainly go to a boxing server over a non boxing server. It allows you to enjoy more of the content. What makes you think boxers don't ever group together? Back on live, very early I met another person who boxed a war/enc and I boxed a war/cler. Not the most efficient group, but we grouped together. And what exactly is your argument regarding twinked gear here? That whole last sentence is rather incoherent.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Picked [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I see what your saying Swish. Makes a lot of sense. I'm happy with the way the server is now, and wouldn't want to get to a point where I rely on boxing. It's stressful. I play to enjoy the game. But I will stand by what I said earlier about playing on live and getting groups mostly with boxed tank/cleric. I would say that at least half the groups I was in had a boxed character for either group essentials or even just buffs outside the group.

If you find boxing stressful, then you don't have to. I don't think anyone is for a rule where everyone must box. And certainly it's not as if you are penalized for not boxing. In fact, you benefit from that. As you said, half the groups you got on live was with a boxed tank/cleric, which was very common. I suspect we'd have a lot more groups here if boxing was allowed.

[Picked]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you find boxing stressful, then you don't have to. I don't think anyone is for a rule where everyone must box. And certainly it's not as if you are penalized for not boxing. In fact, you benefit from that. As you said, half the groups you got on live was with a boxed tank/cleric, which was very common. I suspect we'd have a lot more groups here if boxing was allowed.

Ya I'm not sure if I would even box if it was allowed. I just see merit in both sides of this debate is all. There is pros and cons on each end of the spectrum. I wouldn't care either way if they kept it the same or allowed boxing honestly. Just adding my 2cp in on the conversation. I just know from experience that on live a lot of my groups later on in expansions were a direct result of someone boxing something heh

[Nikon]

How would you propose a 'no power leveling law' be enforced? As far as I can tell, the people in charge barely have enough time to work on important stuff such as content. Why would they want to waste time babysitting more than they already do?

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I have no friends to pl me

[Savok]

Nothing against PL here so long as they are not monopolizing the zone. This is coming from someone's main who was made Nov 18 2010 and is only level 44.

[Kratzy]

I don't like power-leveling because I don't like to group with someone who doesn't know how to play their class. Just because we need a healer and you PL'd a cleric to 50, doesn't mean you are going to know how to properly utilize your character in a group. Which adds nothing of value to the server, except you now have a character that is high level that has high cost gear and is in my experience completely unhelpful.

I don't appreciate PLing while anonymous, since I can't even /who the zone and make an appropriate choice. Because if I can see that there are high levels in the zone I want to hunt in with like a lvl 12 or 20, I would save myself the time and frustration and not even attempt to travel to that zone.

I hate the anti-social aspect of not having the balls to call your camp when someone asks for a Camp Check. If your there powerleveling, and you see nothing wrong with it, call it! Don't make me travel to the camp only to see you repeatedly sitting there getting hit while your lowbie pokes it in the back....

I have had more experiences ruined on here by 2 people in a PL agreement than I could even record.

Also, I see the market developing, someone powerlevels a character, sells that character, only to power level another character and sell the character..... Possibly stopping account sales/trades would curb the rampant powerleveling going on around the server. Be it friends or pay per level.

Nothing stops run-by buffing or healing a minute, or breaking a camp. But FD the aggro, sit and let the DS do the work repeatedly, these are the tactics that make me sick..... Thats what I need, a rogue with no defense skill, or a enchanter without dodge or mezz experiences. That makes the server great right?

If you hate me for my thoughts, feel free to /ignore me in game, same name. Would save me the trouble of dealing with you, or selling you something at a decent price.

[Cippofra]

Who cares if someone who is already end game wants to powerlevel. Fix the pathing, fix the bugs. Dont rain on someone elses parade just because theyve already done the hard work and see no reason to repeat