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Old 08-10-2012, 01:23 PM
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Even tho EQ started the loot race in modern mmos. Also try to pvp as a melee without a lot of MR and then tell me how gear-dependent this game is.
Lemme repeat so I don't get another poor response to a point I wasn't making.

On the whole, EQ is far less gear dependent than other mmos. Especially in a PvP setting.

Now take a fresh max-level character in EQ and compare a max-level character who has had time to gear up in terms of their PvP potential. Do the same for other MMOs. The relevance of your attempt to find the most extreme case vanishes when compared to its greater context.

Try to PvP as a Fresh 80 vs a geared 80 in WoW pvp - as any class, melee or whatever (as your example is limited to pure melee vs caster) - then come back and tell me how gear-dependent EQ is. This is probably true of any modern MMOs because later MMOs made more strongly defined gear stratification at the higher levels. EQ did this poorly because it was the first to do it - the reward you get for your work is far less, and therefore most people prefer the WoW-style easy gratification MMO, because a well-geared 80 stomps the daylights out of a fresh 80 without any effort or skill.

In EQ, the game doesn't begin at max-level because the upgrades really don't make as much a difference in terms of raw power. You are likely still using items that you could acquire in your 20s, 30s and 40s (runed bone fork, Sarnak Emblazoned Tabard, etc cheap resist gear). That's why your example sucks anyhow.
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Old 08-10-2012, 01:47 PM
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I never played WoW PVP. The only MMORPG PVP I played was in DAOC, and I loved that (didn't play Secrets of Atlantis...or whatever it was that added UBER RR's).

I could see classic EQ being fairly fair PVP wise. But Kunark? Twinked Monks, people with Fungi's? I'm just not seeing how anyone could stand a chance against a twinked Kunarkian melee.
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Even tho EQ started the loot race in modern mmos. Also try to pvp as a melee without a lot of MR and then tell me how gear-dependent this game is.


One post about unstopable kunark melee, the next about how gimp the melee is without stacked up MR. That pretty much illustrates that power is always in the eye of the beholder.

On red99, every class has their roles and is competitive in pvp. Especially thanks to Null's well thought out resist system. Its very balanced so that there wont ever be this HUGE imbalance between melee and caster.

So set yourself free and play what you want.
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Old 08-10-2012, 03:20 PM
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Lemme repeat so I don't get another poor response to a point I wasn't making.

On the whole, EQ is far less gear dependent than other mmos. Especially in a PvP setting.

Now take a fresh max-level character in EQ and compare a max-level character who has had time to gear up in terms of their PvP potential. Do the same for other MMOs. The relevance of your attempt to find the most extreme case vanishes when compared to its greater context.
So your telling me a caster in cloth would stand a chance against a 200+ MR melee? It's also not like you can just roll out in pve gear and own everyone. You need the right set of gear for pvp to even stand a chance to anyone unless it's like pvp below level 40. In wow any pvp under the max level gear doesn't matter much also. So yes anything BUT endgame pvp gear doesn't mean anything at all.


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Also just the fact that a melee needs high MR to stand a chance to any caster makes endgame pvp very gear dependent. Being rooted and snared every 5sec isn't what I call fair pvp so now I need to farm up MR so I can even get a hit in.
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Old 08-10-2012, 12:00 PM
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I never played WoW PVP. The only MMORPG PVP I played was in DAOC, and I loved that (didn't play Secrets of Atlantis...or whatever it was that added UBER RR's).

I could see classic EQ being fairly fair PVP wise. But Kunark? Twinked Monks, people with Fungi's? I'm just not seeing how anyone could stand a chance against a twinked Kunarkian melee.
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Old 08-10-2012, 12:15 PM
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Old 08-10-2012, 12:20 PM
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Old 08-10-2012, 05:45 PM
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I think this is the proper place to post this thread. OP just wants to give you guys an opportunity to try Red server, get a lot of levels with minimal time invested. You guys really wanna talk about red99 being fail? Take a look at your rnf as 40 year old adults piss and moan over FTE on a world dragon. LoL!
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Old 08-10-2012, 07:32 PM
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You guys really wanna talk about red99 being fail? Take a look at your rnf as 40 year old adults piss and moan over FTE on a world dragon. LoL!
I lol'd
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Old 08-10-2012, 07:42 PM
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+50% exp enabled.

Moved to pvp server chat.
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Old 09-26-2012, 09:48 AM
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+50% exp enabled.

Moved to pvp server chat.
and still enabled might I add. Leveling is easier for new players so we should continue to remind the community despite a select few that attack both the servers on these forums!

Keep up the great work
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