Hookrs <TMO>

[Nietche]

Originally Posted by AimAce [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Eh, IMO burden of proof is on the one being flamed. This dude *does* have a screenshot. Plus, based on the log, we see that he has NOT done half dmg on AC. You must do above half damage to get the kill.

Is the proof the end all of end alls? No. But he has more proof than the hooker.

What can I say, seems like Hookrs screw you whether or not you pay em.

I don't think anyone can say with a straight face that the burden of proof rests with anyone but the OP, especially because it was posted in RnF. What I would like to see, first, is a /con of the AC because AC can range all the way to level 41 according to that wiki. I have doubts anyone in Full Circle can root rot AC unless they are of capable level.

Second, I would like to see a screenie or log of both the character and its level who was fighting the AC.

Third, I want to see an FTE log.

Fourth, before I believe someone who posts something like this in the R n F forum (and not in the more appropriate Server Chat forum), I want to hear Hookrs' side of the story.

Fifth, who really cares enough about this to post on R n F? Full Circle has been treated really well by many TMO, including myself. If you have a problem, there are 2 respectful courses of action: Talk to a TMO officer and/or /petition a GM.

[AimAce]

Originally Posted by Nietche [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't think anyone can say with a straight face that the burden of proof rests with anyone but the OP, especially because it was posted in RnF. What I would like to see, first, is a /con of the AC because AC can range all the way to level 41 according to that wiki. I have doubts anyone in Full Circle can root rot AC unless they are of capable level.

Second, I would like to see a screenie or log of both the character and its level who was fighting the AC.

Third, I want to see an FTE log.

Fourth, before I believe someone who posts something like this in the R n F forum (and not in the more appropriate Server Chat forum), I want to hear Hookrs' side of the story.

Fifth, who really cares enough about this to post on R n F? Full Circle has been treated really well by many TMO, including myself. If you have a problem, there are 2 respectful courses of action: Talk to a TMO officer and/or /petition a GM.

Neitche you are a troll to the maximums. I used to respect your trolling but now you are bad. OP has proof, are you blind?

AC in sro is lvl 31, don't be a wiki noob.

You are bad.

Stop being bad and dumb.

Don't be a bad dumb troll in RnF thanks.

[Hailto]

Luckily no one gives a shit what you want to see Nietche

[Daldolma]

IMO unless you have incontrovertible video evidence of the actual Hookrs' in real life pressing the corresponding nuke button and acknowledging in some way that he intentionally and deliberately KS'd, followed by in-game fraps of him looting said AC, it is not worthy of RnF. Burden of proof is high, this is srs stuff.

[Harazzer]

Yea, his tag is TMO. In order to get anything past their team of forum troll lawyers you need 17 different camera angles of proof as well as supporting expert testimony and even then the troll team will attempt a spin move!

[AimAce]

Originally Posted by Harazzer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yea, his tag is TMO. In order to get anything past their team of forum troll lawyers you need 17 different camera angles of proof as well as supporting expert testimony and even then the troll team will attempt a spin move!

You know TMO is a bunch of nice people. Honestly. I don't understand all this hate on TMO. Now, admittedly, there ARE trolls (Seriously wtf Nietche) but on the whole TMO is fine.

That being said, the TMO trolls are certainly not helping in terms of PR on RnF. But who cares about RnF, just more trolls who probably play forum quest, and not actual EQ.

Long story short; TMO - okay, Trolls - not okay.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by Harazzer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yea, his tag is TMO. In order to get anything past their team of forum troll lawyers you need 17 different camera angles of proof as well as supporting expert testimony and even then the troll team will attempt a spin move!

No, people want to investigate more primarily because this was started in RnF. Because the guild leaders/GMs were not the first option, or at least concurrent with this post, that raises an issue.

That screenshot has a high possibility of being bluntly damning to Hookrs. No one disputes the possibility. However, if we are going to draw final judgements, a higher standard would be wise. There are reasonable alternative scenarios that have been suggested.

I suggest to the OP that you contact the GM staff first and a TMO officer second. The GMs can give you an ultimate and fair resolution via the logs. Unless, of course, you'd prefer the court of public opinion.

[Jjlent]

from that SS it looks like Hookrs did KS the OP, that sucks dude i feel for u but sometimes shit happens [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
oh well

[Phats]

Originally Posted by Jjlent [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

from that SS it looks like Hookrs did KS the OP, that sucks dude i feel for u but sometimes shit happens [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
oh well

If TMO didn't typically do this type of stuff then sure, id claim photoshop or what have you. Unfortunately nothing will come of this because there is not a FRAPS running, and as we all know, Screenshots mean shit.

So if you can get the jump on someone's camp (and a 60 wizard can do this better than anyone) go for it. It takes 1 spell and very unlikely someone is going to run FRAPS on you right as you cast a spell.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Phats [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If TMO didn't typically do this type of stuff then sure, id claim photoshop or what have you. Unfortunately nothing will come of this because there is not a FRAPS running, and as we all know, Screenshots mean shit.

So if you can get the jump on someone's camp (and a 60 wizard can do this better than anyone) go for it. It takes 1 spell and very unlikely someone is going to run FRAPS on you right as you cast a spell.

Don't forgot the lack of any screen shots of conversation between the accuser and accused, the lack of any screen shot of the accused on the corpse, the lack of a screen shot of the corpse poofing after the accused supposedly looted it, the lack of FTE evidence, the incomplete screen shot and record provided, the lack of corroborating witnesses, the lack of any rebuttal statement from the accused.

This is nothing more than fluff and smear, the accuser could have simply petitioned and if the act took place, then the GM/guide could have taken appropriate action. The accuser could have also taken his evidence to a TMO officer, but instead chose to bring what little evidence he did have to RnF where the burden of persuasion varies from innuendo to beyond a reasonable doubt.