Zimmerman / Martin Shooting

[SamwiseBanned]

Originally Posted by LordFresh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There are many many mothers / fathers / brothers / sisters that have to bury their family member because they were doing dumb shit. Doesnt make it any less hard or anyone elses fault.

walking down the road is dumb?

[LordFresh]

you know how many people are happy minding there own buisness and get into a fist fight for whatever reason and end up killing or dieing? I know someone who was at a party and tried to break it up - guy hits him, he turns and nails the guy and he was the only one arrested and is still paying for it through fines

[Asher]

Originally Posted by HallMonitorSyndrome [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

...without provocation.

Really? If I am 17 and some old dude is following me, probably harassing me, maybe showing a weapon I would feel provoked.

Asher

[Asher]

Originally Posted by Kraftwerk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Stop mentioning the age/size thing, you sound like an idiot.

-Trayvon Martin 5'11" 160 lbs, 17 years old
-George Zimmerman 5'8" 185lbs, 28 years old

I'm sorry but height stands out more than weight, and they were only 10 years apart. Hell in most countries you're pretty much full adult at 17. Also his 911 call he says "This guy looks like he's up to no good...", guy, not kid or boy. That was while he was still in his car.

Also the operator never says not to chase him, this is the verbatim line:

"Are you following him?"

"Yea"

"OK, we don't need you to do that."

If you are taking that to be a direct order not to follow than you are smoking crack. It is not a clear statement of no, but pretty ambiguous and easily misunderstood. If the operator said definitively "No do not follow him" instead of being vague like a retard maybe the whole thing wouldn't of happened, who knows.

You think 17 year olds are the same mentally as a 28 or whatever year old? Age makes a difference whether you like it or not.

A person's bigotry is no defense. A black guy in your neighbourhood doesn't mean he is up to no good. Was he breaking into a car? Was he robbing someone? IIRC he was walking down the street. Last I checked walking down the street and being black isn't a crime.

Asher

[Asher]

Originally Posted by LordFresh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You say that we dont know who started the confrontation - that is true if it isnt on video it didnt happen.

I did not say this. I said we don't know who threw the first punch or what was said. Zimmerman definitely started the confrontation. He chose to pursue this person when he was told to go away.

In the very least he will get Manslaughter. I don't think murder is appropriate but when you put guns in the hands of retards this is what happens. You think a trained law enforcement officer would have handled the situation the same way?

I am so glad I am not black or hispanic. Scrawny nerdy white people get left alone. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Asher

[Kevlar]

Zimmerman sounds like a real douchebag, but he really didn't do anything wrong. If you see a suspicious looking person in your neighborhood you have every right to confront them. If you see a non-suspicious looking person in your neighborhood you have every right to confront them too.

It isn't illegal to ask someone what they are doing. All Trayvon had to do was tell him to piss off. You can't physically attack someone for being an asshole, like Trayvon apparently did. Well, you can, but then if they shoot you the law is on their side.

[Asher]

Originally Posted by Kevlar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Zimmerman sounds like a real douchebag, but he really didn't do anything wrong. If you see a suspicious looking person in your neighborhood you have every right to confront them. If you see a non-suspicious looking person in your neighborhood you have every right to confront them too.

It isn't illegal to ask someone what they are doing. All Trayvon had to do was tell him to piss off. You can't physically attack someone for being an asshole, like Trayvon apparently did. Well, you can, but then if they shoot you the law is on their side.

The thing is we don't know how it all went down. Only one person lived through it so we only have one side. For all we know he did tell him to piss off. For all we know Zimmerman tried to restrain him or search him or who knows what. The bottom line is this never should have happened and wouldn't have happened if this vigilante didn't try and take the law into his own hands.

Asher

[Kevlar]

Originally Posted by Asher [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The thing is we don't know how it all went down. Only one person lived through it so we only have one side. For all we know he did tell him to piss off. For all we know Zimmerman tried to restrain him or search him or who knows what. The bottom line is this never should have happened and wouldn't have happened if this vigilante didn't try and take the law into his own hands.

Asher

There were witnesses who corroborated the Trayvon on top whooping that ass story. Sorry but that part isn't really in dispute. As much as young guys want to be macho and kick everyone's ass, you really should refrain from doing so in states that have legal concealed carry laws.

[Pico]

Originally Posted by Asher [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Only in America can you chase after someone after the police have told you to leave them alone, say that you felt threatened and shoot and kill him and not break any laws.

When you have the opportunity to not even start the encounter and you choose to start it anyways, against the wishes of the authorities, you should not be able to claim that you felt threatened.

I hope he gets ass raped in prison over and over.

Asher

i agree i also feel like justice should be doled out in penis thrusts from bubba, american justice system is very successful this way with most if not all prisoners being completely reformed upon finishing their sentence

[Hitchens]

Trayvon was a punk ass kid who made a really bad decision and Zimmerman is a profiteering, dishonest douchebag.

No heroes here.