Mob Camping Rules

[aggrikta]

Originally Posted by Arrisard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If the person who killed it logs off, that doesn't mean the other person who is hovering around has somehow gained permission to loot the corpse.

It's the original killer's loot up to and including rot unless he specifically gives you permission to loot it.

Don't understand how hard this is to grasp for some people. Go try taking something off of a raid corpse just because it went "public" and see what kind of response you get. It's no different from a tooth on Trak to an FBSS on Frenzied.

Thats how I thought it should go tbh so was abit surprised with some of the replies.

[aggrikta]

I wasn't confused, i know i wouldn't do it just asked if it was ok to do it, tried a few different angles to put a slightly different spin on it thats all.

[Extunarian]

Originally Posted by aggrikta [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I wasn't confused, i know i wouldn't do it just asked if it was ok to do it, tried a few different angles to put a slightly different spin on it thats all.

lol

a dozen people say you can't claim a kill for an alt that you log over to and he keeps rephrasing the question.

one person says what he wants to hear and says 'thanks!'

[aggrikta]

Originally Posted by Extunarian [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lol

a dozen people say you can't claim a kill for an alt that you log over to and he keeps rephrasing the question.

one person says what he wants to hear and says 'thanks!'

i rephrased it because I wasn't sure i was understood, I didn't think that was right as i have always thought it was perfectly acceptable to kill a mob with one toon and loot with another toon on ur account. Always done it and known others to do it, that was on live though.

[aggrikta]

Thanks Frieza, thats all i needed to know, just didn't know where to look .

[aggrikta]

thats exactly what I have done Frieza, he seem ok. I think i just might have been overly suspicious and just wanted to check exactly whats what.

[Naelor]

What about somebody just happening to wander by, seeing a dead mob, and looting it? He doesn't know you are logging back in. How can that be 'your' kill?

Obviously that wouldn't happen in a raid setting, so I'm not talking about that situation, but could surely happen in a single-campable-mob situation.

And anyways, ultimately the system is the final arbiter on who 'owns' the kill...once it goes public, it goes public. Thats the whole point of that mechanic.

[HIYO]

Originally Posted by Naelor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What about somebody just happening to wander by, seeing a dead mob, and looting it? He doesn't know you are logging back in. How can that be 'your' kill?

He does not need to know it is "MY" kill, all he needs to know is that it is not his kill.

[Frieza_Prexus]

What about somebody just happening to wander by, seeing a dead mob, and looting it? He doesn't know you are logging back in. How can that be 'your' kill?

I addressed that by saying it is technically a violation. That said, newbies are never "prosecuted" on this because 1. No body is going to bother and 2. You may have implicitly ceded rights by your own behavior.

This is why I said to determine guilt would be a factual inquiry into exactly what you did. The decision maker would then have to determine, based upon the situational facts, if you did cede your rights by your actions. This can easily be avoided if you tell the guy "I am logging over to my alt, you cannot touch my mob."

Reductio ad absurdum.

Not entirely. Absurdity exists when you move past what is reasonable. If there were an established principle that limited my hypothetical, then what I said could be fallacious. However, my example does exist. We've had people be the last one in the zone, while on an alt, to loot an item. I suggest, that because the situation can occur it is not absurd to use it as an example.

This is far more similar to dropping items on the ground for an alt to pick up than loot on a raid mob, therefore it is unreasonable to apply raid rules to the situation.

Individual opinions may vary.

I addressed this in a post above. Also, the linked statement from Rogean explicitly finds no distinction between raid mobs and the situation at hand.

[Atmas]

Originally Posted by Naelor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And anyways, ultimately the system is the final arbiter on who 'owns' the kill...once it goes public, it goes public. Thats the whole point of that mechanic.

I don't think you can go on the basis of that timer, in that case anyone who ever had something killed by someone else would have to contend with other people standing around.

If someone kills something they have the loot rights to it.