Spell Prices too damn high!

[Anathuril]

I had to add to this thread - just started a druid, LoL. The level 1 and level 5 spells are reasonable - 1g and 6g respectively. Then we get to level 9. OMG, if I did not have a higher level char to supply druid with items to sell for cash, druid would not be playable.
Level 9 druid spells are almost all around 5p 2g right now - including Ignite, Thistlecoat, Starshine, Firefist, and Treeform. What is really interesting is that the level 14 druid spells seem to be LESS expensive (though still high, it seems), with Invigor, Levitate, See Invisible, and Enduring Breath at around 4p 2g. We are not talking about spells that are not used often, either ...
Why the heck are the level 9 druid spells so durn expensive???? Even costing significantly (25%) more than most of the level 14 spells!!!!

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by Anathuril [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I had to add to this thread - just started a druid, LoL. The level 1 and level 5 spells are reasonable - 1g and 6g respectively. Then we get to level 9. OMG, if I did not have a higher level char to supply druid with items to sell for cash, druid would not be playable.
Level 9 druid spells are almost all around 5p 2g right now - including Ignite, Thistlecoat, Starshine, Firefist, and Treeform. What is really interesting is that the level 14 druid spells seem to be LESS expensive (though still high, it seems), with Invigor, Levitate, See Invisible, and Enduring Breath at around 4p 2g. We are not talking about spells that are not used often, either ...
Why the heck are the level 9 druid spells so durn expensive???? Even costing significantly (25%) more than most of the level 14 spells!!!!

EQ's spell prices are generally dictated by the lowest level at which any class can use the spell - so if a druid gets see invis at 14 whereas a chanter gets it at 8, it will have the price level of a level 8 spell.

As another, more telling example, Root for necros is a level 34 spell, but it's level 4 for many classes...so it's cheap.

Most of the level 9 druid spells are unique to the class (or to them and Rangers) and therefore priced @ level 9. And you're expected to have found ways of making decent $$ between 5-9. One thing we love about EQ - no hand holding. Sink or swim [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[SirAlvarex]

I bet you feel pretty great when you're done farming those cracked staves and can finally afford that last level 5 spell. EQ has been the only game I've ever played where you can get that kind of satisfaction so early.

[djstaid]

I just recently started playing and almost forgot about how much spells were and how hard it was to make cash early. After playing a ton of other MMOs I can say that it was good to be back to a game that doesn't just hand it all to you.

Just hit level 5 on my druid, so I guess I have a lot to look forward to! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Anathuril]

So you all expect a level 9 druid spell to cost 5+ plat, and a level 14 druid spell to cost 4+ plat? I dunno - something sounds awfully wrong there. I can see the L14 spell cost, but I have to say the L9 costs are wrong in these cases. In fact, Messianic's idea that the spell cost is dictated by the lowest level is directly contradicted by the examples I gave in my prior mail - read them. I think the L9 druid spell costs are bugged if they are costing more than the L14 spells.

[Anathuril]

Just so we know what we are talking about, I logged my druid and looked for more info. Most of the spells I mentioned as druid level 9 were specific to druid and/or ranger, and in all those cases druid had lowest req'd lev of 9 (e.g. Ignite Rng(22) Dru(9)) costs 5p2g.
So, we have Levitate Rng(39) Dru(14) Shm(14) Wiz(24) Enc(24) - cost is 4p2g.
Then, SoW Rng(39) Dru(14) Shm(9) - cost is 5p2g.
Also, Invigor Clr(9) Pal(22) Rng(30) Dru(14) Shm(24) Enc(24) - cost is 4p2g.
If Messianic were correct, one would still expect that a L14 spell like Levitate would cost more than a L9 spell like SoW, wouldn't one? Or that two L9 spells like Invigor and SoW would cost the same? Not so!

Finally, I don't care at this point for my char, but though I remember high costs when I played circa 1999, I am sure I did not pay those prices for L9 spells. Sure you can say someone should get "decent plat" from 5-9, but I would like to know where one can get the 40p or so required with an untwinked newby at those levs.

[Phinger]

Sisters camp in lfaydark provided all of the funding and then some from level 12-16. As long as it isn't camped its good money and fairly good exp depending on how well you can kill them. I started from ground zero here and it was tough at low levels, but i have such a sense of accomplishment now knowing i didn't get any hand outs or ever ask anyone for anything and my gear is plenty good enough.

Its all about learning the game and finding the best spots to level and farm stuff. I have made a ton more money on p99 than i did on live <50. As a caster, gear isn't as important as it is with melee characters.

[Phinger]

And the mobs in steamfont near the big gear drop decent items to sell that got my spells before i hit 12. SF is a much better noob zone than the fays or bb, but that's what i am used to since i generally play gnomes.

[Anathuril]

OK - I give. No more will I post this forum. My comment seems to be completely misunderstood. I am not having an issue with the spells costing a lot - if I did, I would not have several L30 casters. I also have no issue working for the plat, I would not have a L43 iksar monk if I were lazy! I have never begged for plat from another character (personally, I do not like players that do). I have plenty sense of accomplishment with my characters, and generally enjoy playing the game.

MY POINT IS THAT L9 SPELLS IN GENERAL FOR A PARTICULAR CASTER CLASS SHOULD NOT COST MORE (BY 25%) THAN THE L14 SPELLS FOR THE SAME CLASS. SIMPLE, RIGHT??? NOT THAT I STATED THAT IN MY ORIGINAL POST, OR ANYTHING.

Have fun!

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by Anathuril [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If Messianic were correct, one would still expect that a L14 spell like Levitate would cost more than a L9 spell like SoW, wouldn't one? Or that two L9 spells like Invigor and SoW would cost the same? Not so!

I said generally - and Levitate isn't a single-class only spell, it's a generic spell. What do your druid/ranger only level 14 spells cost compared to your level 9 druid/ranger only spells?

Originally Posted by Anathuril [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am sure I did not pay those prices for L9 spells.

I've heard "I am absolutely certain" about a million different things in everquest on these forums - and most of the time the person is dead wrong. Your memory of a 12-13 year old game isn't as good as you think it is.

I'm not saying all the prices are classic, i'm just saying individual memories are more often wrong than the server is.

Originally Posted by Anathuril [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

MY POINT IS THAT L9 SPELLS IN GENERAL FOR A PARTICULAR CASTER CLASS SHOULD NOT COST MORE (BY 25%) THAN THE L14 SPELLS FOR THE SAME CLASS. SIMPLE, RIGHT??? NOT THAT I STATED THAT IN MY ORIGINAL POST, OR ANYTHING.

You haven't made that point. You've only pointed out generic, multi-class spells which isnt the same comparison as, for example, Stinging Swarm vs Ignite.