Helping population - a moderate approach to permabans

[Amelinda]

Originally Posted by goalie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Speeding is against the rules too, but everyone does a little and most dont get caught.

Boxing shouldn't be a big deal just to trade an item or toss a buff or something for helping your lowbie level.

disallowing something that honestly doesn't hurt anyone doesn't help an already dying server.

I'm sure all you rule nuthuggers have never gone over the speed limit in your car, never smoked a joint, never cheated on a test or a girlfriend or ever broken any rule ever.

I very rarely speed. I don't break rules. I have never smoked a joint or done any illegal drugs at all. Have never cheated on a test or paper or anything like that, never cheated on a boyfriend.

Rules are there for a reason.

[goalie]

Originally Posted by Amelinda [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I very rarely speed. I don't break rules. I have never smoked a joint or done any illegal drugs at all. Have never cheated on a test or paper or anything like that, never cheated on a boyfriend.

Rules are there for a reason.

I understand what you're saying, you're a hardcore rule follower and have never broken a rule or law in your life.

Fair enough.

But if someone does get caught speeding, or smoking a joint, are they sent for capital punishment? No, they're very rarely even sent to jail for such minor offenses.

Why not give people the benefit of the doubt and suspend them once, and if caught doing it again THEN permban. Usually ones first offense isn't their last i know, but i still think a permanent ban is too harsh, especially considering the other things shitheads do that only result in warnings or short suspensions. This server needs a little love. How many regular players have been permanently banned to this point? It would be interesting to know.

Yes i read the thread on why 2boxing results in permban, but if you're going to permban for this, permban for everything. Training, Nuking through walls, Exploiting Pathing, maybe we can get the population down to 30.

[Hovis]

Originally Posted by goalie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I understand what you're saying, you're a hardcore rule follower and have never broken a rule or law in your life.

Fair enough.

But if someone does get caught speeding, or smoking a joint, are they sent for capital punishment? No, they're very rarely even sent to jail for such minor offenses.

Why not give people the benefit of the doubt and suspend them once, and if caught doing it again THEN permban. Usually ones first offense isn't their last i know, but i still think a permanent ban is too harsh, especially considering the other things shitheads do that only result in warnings or short suspensions. This server needs a little love. How many regular players have been permanently banned to this point? It would be interesting to know.

Yes i read the thread on why 2boxing results in permban, but if you're going to permban for this, permban for everything. Training, Nuking through walls, Exploiting Pathing, maybe we can get the population down to 30.

well said sir

[CallnOutTheNubs]

Originally Posted by goalie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I understand what you're saying, you're a hardcore rule follower and have never broken a rule or law in your life.

Fair enough.

But if someone does get caught speeding, or smoking a joint, are they sent for capital punishment? No, they're very rarely even sent to jail for such minor offenses.

Why not give people the benefit of the doubt and suspend them once, and if caught doing it again THEN permban. Usually ones first offense isn't their last i know, but i still think a permanent ban is too harsh, especially considering the other things shitheads do that only result in warnings or short suspensions. This server needs a little love. How many regular players have been permanently banned to this point? It would be interesting to know.

Yes i read the thread on why 2boxing results in permban, but if you're going to permban for this, permban for everything. Training, Nuking through walls, Exploiting Pathing, maybe we can get the population down to 30.

Its not hard to understand you lil dick man
If you wanna 2box go elsewhere or your eating a perma ban got it you clueless fuck

[Cast v27.5]

Originally Posted by goalie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I understand what you're saying, you're a hardcore rule follower and have never broken a rule or law in your life.

Fair enough.

But if someone does get caught speeding, or smoking a joint, are they sent for capital punishment? No, they're very rarely even sent to jail for such minor offenses.

Why not give people the benefit of the doubt and suspend them once, and if caught doing it again THEN permban. Usually ones first offense isn't their last i know, but i still think a permanent ban is too harsh, especially considering the other things shitheads do that only result in warnings or short suspensions. This server needs a little love. How many regular players have been permanently banned to this point? It would be interesting to know.

Yes i read the thread on why 2boxing results in permban, but if you're going to permban for this, permban for everything. Training, Nuking through walls, Exploiting Pathing, maybe we can get the population down to 30.

Nice job attacking strawmen.

Quote above goes to show that our community is ripe with under educated simpletons. These people should be sought out and muzzled on the forums because ideas and opionion listed above is just flat out hard to read because of its stupidity. Learn to create an accurate analogy and not strawmen syndrome or gtfo

[Haul]

Originally Posted by goalie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I understand what you're saying, you're a hardcore rule follower and have never broken a rule or law in your life.

Fair enough.

But if someone does get caught speeding, or smoking a joint, are they sent for capital punishment? No, they're very rarely even sent to jail for such minor offenses.

Why not give people the benefit of the doubt and suspend them once, and if caught doing it again THEN permban. Usually ones first offense isn't their last i know, but i still think a permanent ban is too harsh, especially considering the other things shitheads do that only result in warnings or short suspensions. This server needs a little love. How many regular players have been permanently banned to this point? It would be interesting to know.

Yes i read the thread on why 2boxing results in permban, but if you're going to permban for this, permban for everything. Training, Nuking through walls, Exploiting Pathing, maybe we can get the population down to 30.

+1 f u you cast and callinoutnoobs you guys are homo rofl

[Cast v27.5]

Originally Posted by goalie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Speeding is against the rules too, but everyone does a little and most dont get caught.

Boxing shouldn't be a big deal just to trade an item or toss a buff or something for helping your lowbie level.

disallowing something that honestly doesn't hurt anyone doesn't help an already dying server.

I'm sure all you rule nuthuggers have never gone over the speed limit in your car, never smoked a joint, never cheated on a test or a girlfriend or ever broken any rule ever.

Attack of the straw man

Poster is clearly stupid irl so he wont understand my reply. Still not sure what this argument is about because there isnt a more clear advantageous method of cheating on a pvp server than boxing when other people cant.

[Amelinda]

Originally Posted by Cast v27.5 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Attack of the straw man

Poster is clearly stupid irl so he wont understand my reply. Still not sure what this argument is about because there isnt a more clear advantageous method of cheating on a pvp server than boxing when other people cant.

It is very rare that I find myself agreeing with Cast [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You have to look at this like this.....this is PVP box. WAY different from a PVE Box.

If we go easy on a blue box on this then sure...gold farmers may get richer, the economy may suffer. guilds may have skewed advantages. If we go easy on boxers on the red box it would be devastating.

There is a very special subset of people out there on the web who enjoy ACTUAL TRUE PVP (Not the instanced battlegrounds junk) There is an even smaller subset of those folks who enjoy Classic EQ or EQ PVP. So the pool of possible people that we could ever get to play here is finite anyway.

many people have left for various reasons over the past few months and that leaves us with an even smaller set of people to play on our box.

When you have a smaller population then cause and effect is always more pronounced. The waves seem larger because there are fewer people.

Because there are fewer people to group with / trade with / buff each other and just generally hang out with......it makes things different than on a more populated blue server

We have nightly a population of around 130. That's a small number of people when you spread them over 100 zones. If Cast comes at me 1v1 lvl 50 bard v lvl 50 bard then we could legitimately PVP for a long time depending on how dedicated we both are to the fight and our skill. If I am secretly schlepping around a druid box it's over. If Cast beats me then I'm stupid, but more than that it is INCREDIBLY unfair to him. I get bored of PVP? We can both run the same run speed. so he could keep up with me no matter what. Unless I ran over to where I have a hidden druid and cast port on my druid and time it to land just after i get there. Or a well timed heal or nuke.

Not only that, but the second box would enable me to farm equipment so much easier than Cast who would have to wait for a second person to play a druid.

Something like this is a MASSIVE Game breaker and I read pleas for lenience and i'm like "Gee! You either haven't thought this through or just don't care."

People always think their behavior warrants a shortening of the sentence.

"But I was only trading items over to my alt"
Ok. But that's not fair to the other 100 people who chose not to cheat, who have to wait for HOURS sometimes to trade items over, or they ultimately drop transfer and then get fucked because the items poof when the login server goes down or because Amapolo ran through the zone and found the items and "Finders-keepers'd" them. It's not fair to the people who ask a guildy to transfer items and the guildy /q's and steals their stuff. Yes. Small offense. But HUGE ramifications when you look at the entire picture.

"But I was only Porting/buffing!"
Again that is not fair to the 100 or so other people who have to wait for a port or find a druid. Had a player petition yesterday because he handed his last 10 plat to a druid who said he'd port this guy to commonlands and then the druid ran off and responded he didn't even have that port.

"I just had my trader there because I was looking to buy X"
And i'm sure everyone else wishes they had that luxury as well.

"I was only waiting for X to spawn while i messed around on my bard."

Well. Once again. It is unfair to the other people who choose to follow the rules.

I don't LIKE being a hardass. But It's totally unfair to go easy on people breaking the rules when everyone else follows them.

PS - Bringing up the macroquest people on blue as your excuse as to why you should be unbanned for boxing = lame. That wasn't my decision and honey...It will NOT get you anywhere with me. So you can all quit that road of discussion now [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Haul]

Originally Posted by goalie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Speeding is against the rules too, but everyone does a little and most dont get caught.

Boxing shouldn't be a big deal just to trade an item or toss a buff or something for helping your lowbie level.

disallowing something that honestly doesn't hurt anyone doesn't help an already dying server.

I'm sure all you rule nuthuggers have never gone over the speed limit in your car, never smoked a joint, never cheated on a test or a girlfriend or ever broken any rule ever.

Ya no freakin shit, servers full of sooooo many hypocrites and self righteous nerds.

[bigeasy]

What the OP is stating is simple. We have a struggling population on the server, people make mistakes and bad judgment calls in all walks of life. Whether they're naive, or think they can get away with it, people fuck up. There is NO fine line between boxing and hacking. They are worlds apart, "boxing" is generally accepted in the MMO community by live games.

Unfortunately, this has fallen on deaf ears. They run a tight ship here, and it is what it is. If you got caught, level up a new character because staff here is not interested in second chances which ultimately is afforded to people in everything else, but not here.