Patch Notes: Monday, February 20th, 2012

[Motec]

I know, and as such, until upgrade it is a heap of shit and a complete waste of time with most good shamans either having it in bank, or only using it to sit afk with.

[Harkor]

Motec, your so ANGRY! Most good shamans raid with it [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] As far as uses....I melee the 1st 10% of a mob with it...proc it....then swap to hammer.
Proc rates for the weapons your talking about:
Your cudgel has a proc-rate=shit....barb hammer has a great proc-rate...sham epic a decent proc-rate.

[bizzum]

Originally Posted by Harkor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Motec, your so ANGRY! Most good shamans raid with it [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] As far as uses....I melee the 1st 10% of a mob with it...proc it....then swap to hammer.
Proc rates for the weapons your talking about:
Your cudgel has a proc-rate=shit....barb hammer has a great proc-rate...sham epic a decent proc-rate.

By decent you mean like either first hit or like when the mobs at 20% and it cant even climb up past 44 for a tick =P Let just change it to a clickie and call it a day! =)

[Motec]

Originally Posted by Harkor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Motec, your so ANGRY! Most good shamans raid with it [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] As far as uses....I melee the 1st 10% of a mob with it...proc it....then swap to hammer.
Proc rates for the weapons your talking about:
Your cudgel has a proc-rate=shit....barb hammer has a great proc-rate...sham epic a decent proc-rate.

You are terrible.

There are no individual proc rates on weapons, except anecdotally the paladin epic. Which procs its tits off. But once again, no testing thus far as p1999 has terrible paladins.

As such all weapons share the same proc rate, with the same scaling for proc rates based on dexterity. This was all taken from incorrect 2005 TSW information, but the gist of it is very simple. 1.0PPM at 105 dex and 1.75PPM at 255 dex. Offhand is exactly half.

The only thing you are experiencing is a proc per swing chance is higher on the BSH because of the higher delay. In the long run it all ends up equal. RNG is RNG. What you see is numbers, what you dont see is why, how, etc. You're also ignorant to the 20x in a row you JBB without a proc in favor of the twice in a row now and then when you think its amazing.

I can sit infront of a mob, duel slowed with cudgel casting a clicky nuke on cleric and proc between hits 4-5 times in a row. I dont have delusions of proc rates. I understand RNG.

Edit. Yes to scale easily, 0.005 PPM per dex; 0.0025 PPM per dex offhand.

2nd edit. Higher proc per swing chance is intended to be represented in the thought that if a weapon has a delay of 10, it hits 60 times per minute. At a proc rate of 2PPM its proc per swing is 0.033*. A weapon with a delay of 100 swings 6 times per minute, which means it has a 33.3333* proc per swing rate. Hence slowing yourself trying to OT hammer usually results in instant procs. But for jousting between casts of a JBB, etc, its kinda meh as its all equal anyway. A higher weapon damage for a higher melee hit is useful if you care about melee damage.

[bizzum]

Originally Posted by Motec [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Which procs its tits off.

Thx for making me lol while I cant log on.

[Harkor]

Originally Posted by Motec [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are terrible.

There are no individual proc rates on weapons, except anecdotally the paladin epic. Which procs its tits off. But once again, no testing thus far as p1999 has terrible paladins.

As such all weapons share the same proc rate, with the same scaling for proc rates based on dexterity. This was all taken from incorrect 2005 TSW information, but the gist of it is very simple. 1.0PPM at 105 dex and 1.75PPM at 255 dex. Offhand is exactly half.

The only thing you are experiencing is a proc per swing chance is higher on the BSH because of the higher delay. In the long run it all ends up equal. RNG is RNG. What you see is numbers, what you dont see is why, how, etc. You're also ignorant to the 20x in a row you JBB without a proc in favor of the twice in a row now and then when you think its amazing.

I can sit infront of a mob, duel slowed with cudgel casting a clicky nuke on cleric and proc between hits 4-5 times in a row. I dont have delusions of proc rates. I understand RNG.

Edit. Yes to scale easily, 0.005 PPM per dex; 0.0025 PPM per dex offhand.

Your so ignorant to how to play a shaman you need to stop talking....
The reason we don't JBB is because were canni-ing the entire time we use the hammer/epic....unlike clerics who....if they are meleeing aren't regening mana for shit...and you'ld be doing more damage medding and nuking anyways...so stop arguing with me and go fondle a koala.

[bizzum]

Originally Posted by Harkor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your so ignorant to how to play a shaman you need to stop talking....
The reason we don't JBB is because were canni-ing the entire time we use the hammer/epic....unlike clerics who....if they are meleeing aren't regening mana for shit...and you'ld be doing more damage medding and nuking anyways...so stop arguing with me and go fondle a koala.

I use JBB...

[Motec]

Originally Posted by Harkor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your so ignorant to how to play a shaman you need to stop talking....
The reason we don't JBB is because were canni-ing the entire time we use the hammer/epic....unlike clerics who....if they are meleeing aren't regening mana for shit...and you'ld be doing more damage medding and nuking anyways...so stop arguing with me and go fondle a koala.

Well you're terrible then as a JBB is more efficient than any possible combination of spell cast, canni, and every med tick hit excepting for one DoT. Just stop being shit at your class and accept a cleric knows more about you.

Not to mention, you're again wrong on my efficiency as well. And PS. I dont use mana. Shissars and donals. I can do more damage or be of more use meleeing with cudgel between donals boot clicks, or getting tash on so the dps dont destroy their dps using a jstick, than I ever could medding and nuking, even undead nukes of unicorn farts and bad shaman dreams.

Edit: With dots stacking, 12 canna casts then JBB is better. Thanks MS Excel.

[Motec]

And if you took the time to read my post, you'd realise I was quite aware of this, by comparing the shitty shaman epic proc, with good procs, from cudgel or bsh.

[Amelinda]

Originally Posted by mreynert [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

?!

So does this mean bard songs count towards the 15 effect limit and a bard twisting 4 songs drops you down to 11 maximum buffs/effects on raids?

Also no fix to bard epic, namely the guts? *sadface*

yes. bard songs now count towards the 15 effect limit and a bard twisting 4 songs would drop you to 11 maximum buffs/effects on raids EXACTLY. And that's classic. It's how it was at least until Velious...maybe even Luclin.

Originally Posted by Motec [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Red is a failure and attracted the scum of the freeloading gaming world. Sigh at spending resources on it.

But awesome patch mostly otherwise.

Do you have to be so negative about everything? it becomes really tiresome [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

WTB Trak guts.

Just because you haven't seen trak guts yet doesn't mean they don't have a chance to drop. they are a very rare drop. It took me from whenever epics were released until like 11-12-2000 when trak guts FINALLY dropped on my live server. I got the FIRST trak guts that dropped.

Originally Posted by gprater [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can someone simplify for the biologist, what does this mean> ?

thanks

The patch scaled the XP so that you will level faster at lower levels on the red server.

Originally Posted by Dentalplan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No epic upgrades? Those went in 2 months after epics, iirc.

Otherwise looks like some excellent updates, thanks dev team as always.

Some of our timeline is a little slower. We don't have devs who are paid. ALL of the staff is totally volunteer. Things take consequently m ore time.