Proposal to the TMO leadership

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nerd alert

[Paumad]

Holy shit man, holy shit. That is exactly why there is no talk at all, because everything is always twisted one way or another.

I mean, in your wall of text, there isn't a single line that isn't TMO hating, and I won't spend the time quoting and making a counter argument for everything you said. You, as in IB, have broken as many rules as we have. You are not objective, and speaking to you would probably prove as useful as dealing with Swarws. If you were actually not so biased and bashing, I would take that time, out of here. But despite what you say, you are trolling even more than I am.

There is one point I agree on, that is VD is capable of killing anything they want, and we are fully aware of it. We know we will have to compete and that we will lose some juicy targets. We've always done so, against you, and now against you and VD.

My point is, they are not acting as a third party, just an extention of IB. They chose to only raid agaisnt us hence why they are where they are now (which isn't so bad, quit the qq'ing). You on the other hand, can have your uncontested VP and Trak rounds as competing adults amirite, and keep feeding VD with loots and some more anti-TMO feelings. Mostly simply because they've never experienced raiding against you and probably will never chose to (you are the great p99 white knigths afterall, nothing like TR). Until they do that, don't expect us to give them the respect they'd rightfully deserve if they fought their way up by themselves.

[Paumad]

Fuck that I'll quote you afterall

Originally Posted by Shiftin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Six months ago, the literal majority of your raid force was sub 60 and 2/3 of you would get feared vs any dragon you faced. Two months ago you were still wiping to your own draco trains with fifty people.

News for you: we still do although with a little less people to be honest. Oh, and you do too.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Paumad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Holy shit man, holy shit. That is exactly why there is no talk at all, because everything is always twisted one way or another.

I mean, in your wall of text, there isn't a single line that isn't TMO hating, and I won't spend the time quoting and making a counter argument for everything you said. You, as in IB, have broken as many rules as we have. You are not objective, and speaking to you would probably prove as useful as dealing with Swarws. If you were actually not so biased and bashing, I would take that time, out of here. But despite what you say, you are trolling even more than I am.

There is one point I agree on, that is VD is capable of killing anything they want, and we are fully aware of it. We know we will have to compete and that we will lose some juicy targets. We've always done so, against you, and now against you and VD.

My point is, they are not acting as a third party, just an extention of IB. They chose to only raid agaisnt us hence why they are where they are now (which isn't so bad, quit the qq'ing). You on the other hand, can have your uncontested VP and Trak rounds as competing adults amirite, and keep feeding VD with loots and some more anti-TMO feelings. Mostly simply because they've never experienced raiding against you and probably will never chose to (you are the great p99 white knigths afterall, nothing like TR). Until they do that, don't expect us to give them the respect they'd rightfully deserve if they fought their way up by themselves.

We should just ally with some feeder guild give them all those loot we don't need and keys to harrass ib rotation targets.....personally I am against all rotations

[Dravingar]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We should just ally with some feeder guild give them all those loot we don't need and keys to harrass ib rotation targets.....personally I am against all rotations

It's hard to ally with a feeder guild when you already are one.

[Xatava]

Originally Posted by Dravingar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's hard to ally with a feeder guild when you already are one.

Interesting if true

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Paumad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Holy shit man, holy shit. That is exactly why there is no talk at all, because everything is always twisted one way or another.

I mean, in your wall of text, there isn't a single line that isn't TMO hating, and I won't spend the time quoting and making a counter argument for everything you said. You, as in IB, have broken as many rules as we have. You are not objective, and speaking to you would probably prove as useful as dealing with Swarws. If you were actually not so biased and bashing, I would take that time, out of here. But despite what you say, you are trolling even more than I am.

There is one point I agree on, that is VD is capable of killing anything they want, and we are fully aware of it. We know we will have to compete and that we will lose some juicy targets. We've always done so, against you, and now against you and VD.

My point is, they are not acting as a third party, just an extention of IB. They chose to only raid agaisnt us hence why they are where they are now (which isn't so bad, quit the qq'ing). You on the other hand, can have your uncontested VP and Trak rounds as competing adults amirite, and keep feeding VD with loots and some more anti-TMO feelings. Mostly simply because they've never experienced raiding against you and probably will never chose to (you are the great p99 white knigths afterall, nothing like TR). Until they do that, don't expect us to give them the respect they'd rightfully deserve if they fought their way up by themselves.

I can't believe I'm being drawn into the RnF whirlpool but you seem to be a smart guy. I totally understand this point of view too, that VD/IB looks like 1 megaguild (similar to DA/TMO premerger perhaps), and that VD generally speaking hasn't raced to targets successfully (we can kill them, but our mobilization is somewhat slower).

Here is my question: how do you guys expect to get more raid mobs without a rotation? If a TMO Trakanon spawns every 6 days and is in window for 18 hours on average, that means your mains are going to be stuck on poop mountain 15% of the time. It's hard to imagine that you are going to beat IB/VD to mobs like Gore, Tal, Sev, Cazic, Inny, Maestro, or Draco without your mains (I know Faz has 3+ max toons but not everyone in your guild does). So if we assume you beat VD 9/10 on Trak you're going to get 45% of Trakanons instead of 33%, which you guys are getting 1 extra Trak every 8 weeks in exchange for losing 1 raid target every week with your mains camped out.

Even if we assume that you guys just LOVE camping your mains out on poop mountain, it still seems like you're coming out behind just on pure quantity of loot. And if you are trying to keep us out of VP, it's basically too late. We're up to like 30 keyed members and could already probably kill some of the easier dragons. So regardless of how you feel about VD as a guild, breaking the rotation just doesn't make sense to me.

[quido]

Let's see how long IB's Trakanons remain uncontested while ours are being contested =)

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Peak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

tmo alliance with BDA ! you heard it here first

change BDA to Taken and you might be on to something. I like Taken.

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no truce with the shaeredo