Ragefire Agreement/Rotation

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Maultriss [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The first epic was pretty much an IB only affair as nobody else had a pearl. Last week was the first open poopsock where more than one guild was ready. We're not talking like this has been going on for months and now VD jumps in. I never for once thought I should be at the front of the line after putting in my 25 hours vs. the top five and encouraged them to be at the front of the line because they deserve that.

So dump on us all you want but I wanted this to be fair to those who have served time the last 2 weeks.

The first Ragefire basically consisted of IB walking in to Nagafen's Lair and killing Ragefire, no camping involved. Not knowing that the spawn was completely fubar'd IB and TMO clerics continued the camp after Getsome's Ragefire until the next Nagafen spawned and 72 hours after that when the second Ragefire spawned.

This third expected Ragefire has already gone 41 hours since Nagafen died, and another set of 10 clerics (TMO/IB/VD) spent time in lair clicking air.

[Ele]

Please don't bring this thread down with comments that belong in RnF. This is meant for civil discussion so as to end the insanity clerics are currently facing.

For additional guilds seeking to join in: a *thought* was that once the first rotation cycle completes, the next Nagafen (i.e., fourth one to pop) would be the stepping stone for a guild to jump into the rotation. For that reason it was *discussed* that Nagafen might become a target of opportunity and left open on that fourth spawn instead of an instant-rush-to-kill target by the listed guilds.

Of course, this applies to the current state of the spawn cycle. Once the patch is implemented it will produce a lot more Ragefires and there shouldn't be any problem incorporating other guilds/groups.

[Skope]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please don't bring this thread down with comments that belong in RnF. This is meant for civil discussion so as to end the insanity clerics are currently facing.

For additional guilds seeking to join in: a *thought* was that once the first rotation cycle completes, the next Nagafen (i.e., fourth one to pop) would be the stepping stone for a guild to jump into the rotation. For that reason it was *discussed* that Nagafen might become a target of opportunity and left open on that fourth spawn instead of an instant-rush-to-kill target by the listed guilds.

Of course, this applies to the current state of the spawn cycle. Once the patch is implemented it will produce a lot more Ragefires and there shouldn't be any problem incorporating other guilds/groups.

Of the above nothing at all is noted in the original post, so I'm assuming you want me to fill that part in myself and read your mind. Cool. Re-read your post again and maybe you can tell me how it wasn't snobbish, selfish and completely ignoring the majority of the server. That kind of post belongs between the 3 guilds and if another were willing to come in and KS you'd have quite a bit of trouble on your hands. Clarity might be something to strive for

[Ungriim]

Quick Jeremy! Troll on your own teamates harder!

[Kole1]

Originally Posted by Skope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

completely ignoring the majority of the server. r

those in the lair today were asked to try and reach an amicable agreement.

those in the lair today.


TMO, IB, VD. We figured a solution for those in the lair first because that's what was most pressing. If this works out, people who normally don't kill Nagafen might get a chance to kill nagafen now too...

that helps the server, right?

[Skope]

Originally Posted by Kole1 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

those in the lair today were asked to try and reach an amicable agreement.

those in the lair today.


TMO, IB, VD. We figured a solution for those in the lair first because that's what was most pressing. If this works out, people who normally don't kill Nagafen might get a chance to kill nagafen now too...

that helps the server, right?

No it doesn't, because it doesn't apply to anyone else. Think about it. I can roll in there right now and poopsock, KS it and your whole agreement takes a shit. You need to wake up. This agreement is an agreement between 3 guilds, that's all. It doesn't apply to anyone else and in its current state, nor should it. Why this was posted here is beyond me

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Skope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No it doesn't, because it doesn't apply to anyone else. Think about it. I can roll in there right now and poopsock, KS it and your whole agreement takes a shit. You need to wake up. This agreement is an agreement between 3 guilds, that's all. It doesn't apply to anyone else and in its current state, nor should it. Why this was posted here is beyond me

I dare you [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Loke]

Originally Posted by Skope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

bullshit

edit: disclaimer - I only read like 1 or 2 of the million pages here. If this shit got resolved later on, whatever. I still feel like it has been way too long since Skope and I have yelled at each other on the forums.

Skope, you've always tried to argue for shit getting handed to people not willing to put the work in. I don't even really play anymore, but was reading this and got flash backs to like 2 years ago. A rotation between the top guilds shouldn't mean that people not part of that rotation cannot kill the mob, it just SHOULD mean that those guilds will not compete with each other. If it is IB's turn and Divinity wants to roll up and contest it, you guys should be more than willing to. However, sitting in the background until a rotation is established and then demanding to be included is ridiculous. You want something for nothing, which is nothing new.

A rotation between 3 guilds is just that, a rotation between three guilds. If you aren't included in that rotation, don't abide by it's rules - simple as that. As the rotation is a freely entered into agreement, if the existing members do not want to allow you to join, that should be there choice. Forcing yourself into their internal guild agreements is ridiculous.

Now I'm going to go back to playing Tribes where I can Spinfusor people's faces off when they have what I want (e.g. the flag).

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Skope [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Of the above nothing at all is noted in the original post, so I'm assuming you want me to fill that part in myself and read your mind. Cool. Re-read your post again and maybe you can tell me how it wasn't snobbish, selfish and completely ignoring the majority of the server. That kind of post belongs between the 3 guilds and if another were willing to come in and KS you'd have quite a bit of trouble on your hands. Clarity might be something to strive for

The last couple of paragraphs of the original addressed this issue, although not as directly as my subsequent post. We requested input from the other guilds that would be participating.

Apologies if the original post was taken as offensive, snobbish, or rude, the clerics in the lair by no means want to thumb their noses at the other clerics the server. We are open to input to ease the tension server-wide concerning this camp.

[Kole1]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the clerics in the lair by no means want to thumb their noses at the other clerics the server. We are open to input to ease the tension server-wide concerning this camp.

the real purpose of the OP right here. Remember, this is going to be reverting to a classic variance, but it still requires a guild to kill nagafen to start the timer.

So...let's actually look for a way to work this out not just rant about it.

If an alliance of guilds kills Nagafen, then get on the rotation. Problem. Currently only 3 guilds kill nagafen.
Solution Those 3 guilds could agree to give a set amount of time to kill Nagafen. Nagafen doesn't die within XYZ, thenyou are not on list yet. Nagafen spawns again next week. XYZ hours pass, nagafen doesnt die to the alliance --you are still not on list yet. Multiple guilds want in rotation at the same time? Alternate turns. Win against Nagafen, assume control of that Ragefire, you are now in rotation, bump all back 1.

If you can't kill nagafen by your own, you cant actually gain access to the lair if Nagafen were left up. Which leads to the obviously bad situation of, now 3 guilds arent killing Nagafen and aren't getting Ragefires, to keep other guilds out who want to free-ride on an open lair with no Nagafen. which no one wants. We want a solution that produces epics for the server that doesn't involve people clickin like mad for 72 hours.

Anyone saying theyre bringing people to poopsock for 3 days...try getting your clerics to click into empty space for 72 hours, every time Ragefire is in window...see how fun it is. Two guilds who normally cant agree on anything agreed to this in hours. It's that bad