Epic Camp Handoffs

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Motec [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Stealin, you did one deed that I dont consider good. I was at a camp, not afk, you guys came in and took FTE on the mob, and then handed it off to me to loot. A noble thing to do, but nothing special. You can not hold yourself in high regard for being a normal person on a few occasions. Every single day I am passing off named, camps, buffs, rezzes regardless of tags etc. And today I am repaid by abuse and petitions from jaded angry TMO clerics who cant play by the rules and then whinge at their guild in massive tears.

And the worst part is you're not straining relations with me, I'm easy going. It's Amelinda you're pissing off. I suggest you all read the camp rules, not be afk, not f*ck with triggered spawns, and politely wait your turn or be faster.

You weren't at a camp, you were running around the zone like a retard. AJ is a spawn like Seafuries in OOT. IT has a specific spawn point and then roams. IF you aren't on his spawn point you aren't camping anything. Quit being a raging retard.

If I didn't allow you to loot it, you had no claim. I was on the spawn, I was the first to hit it and i got the xp. You did nothing but fail to KS and then bitch about how stupid you were by running around spamming locate undead.

I've also helped plenty of TR/IB/VD people before (along with wasting EEs on your members), but you guys are all fags and can't distinguish between RnF and in-game.

[Slathar]

Originally Posted by Motec [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Shall I post pictures of clerics AFK and then 20 mins later abusing me, bitching in guild etc as I took their camp?

Every warning from a guide I have received today I have screenshot, timed and logged evidence to support AFK camping prior.

Stealin, you did one deed that I dont consider good. I was at a camp, not afk, you guys came in and took FTE on the mob, and then handed it off to me to loot. A noble thing to do, but nothing special. You can not hold yourself in high regard for being a normal person on a few occasions. Every single day I am passing off named, camps, buffs, rezzes regardless of tags etc. And today I am repaid by abuse and petitions from jaded angry TMO clerics who cant play by the rules and then whinge at their guild in massive tears.

And the worst part is you're not straining relations with me, I'm easy going. It's Amelinda you're pissing off. I suggest you all read the camp rules, not be afk, not f*ck with triggered spawns, and politely wait your turn or be faster.

why do the biggest nerds always censor their curse words?

well?

[Chronoburn]

OH NOS NOW I'LL NEVER GET MY EPIC

[Mayhem2]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lol @ a line to Pickpocket. You're ROGUES, THIEVES, SWASHBUCKLERS... what a bunch of candy asses.

Absolutely nothing wrong with pickpocketing "someone else's" merb imo.

I agree, especially since the class can't really solo or camp anything to farm the platz ~

[Glitterati]

Kinda glad right now us druids and rangers can sit in hippie drum circles smoking hobbit weed, drinking elvish wine foraging thru the grass.....

[Sajan]

Originally Posted by Glitterati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Kinda glad right now us druids and rangers can sit in hippie drum circles smoking hobbit weed, drinking elvish wine foraging thru the grass.....

[Bruman]

Originally Posted by Tiggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would rather ally myself with IB/VD to cockblock BDA from every epic camp then to give them any chance of completing an epic quest.

I guess someone really doesn't like arsenalpow. Or maybe you just hate all BDA "just because". That's cool, it's your right.

But it's attitudes like this which is why we need rules and play nice policies, since "don't be a douche" isn't good enough.

Also, I wonder how much of the voting is broken down like this:

Yes: "I'm not in a guild that can't or isn't interested in poopsocking long enough to keep a stranglehold on a given epic camp"
No: "My guild can keep this locked down easy"
Don't care: "I don't plan on ever completing my epic"

[Rasah]

Originally Posted by Slave [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The Jade Chokidai Prod rule was a gigantic mistake and I hope the age of special rules for certain special camps is long gone. Too much confusion and drama. KISS.

What broke the JCP camp was that we allowed people to camp it while AFK. It was too easy for someone to just leave a toon up and come back 16 hours later, loot, sell it for 15-20k, then get back in line to repeat. If you physically had to sit there and answer camp checks, I suspect the line wouldn't have gone more than 3 deep at any time.

[Uthgaard]

JCP was an experiment of mine. The problem with the camp rules as they stand is that they are surrounded by extremely large grey areas with no means to determine the rightness or wrongness of a claim to a camp when it reaches a large permacamp situation.

When you have 15 or more people at a camp, each attempting to rationalize that their claim to a camp is tethered to how long someone else has been there, it's illogical and places all of the responsibility for figuring it out on the staff, and simply stated: players lie.

The JCP camp experiment was a success. It placed the responsibility back on the players, brought the amount of staff involvement down to a tiny fraction of its previous daily requirement, and reintroduced a previously absent component of holding a camp: responsibility.

With the extreme privelege of claim to a camp, comes the responsibility to invest one's own time into it. That it still runs with that rule in place is a testament to its success, and you can see from the poll here that it's favored more than 2.5 to 1 - with as many indifferent as there are for it - and those few voting against it being the players from major guilds that are most notorious for their hissy fits. They are motivated only by interest in preventing other players from meeting their goals, not in the interest of meeting their own.

With any privelege has to come some responsibility. In this case, it's either your responsibiliy or the staff's. You can see the logical conclusion.

[Amelinda]

Originally Posted by Flunklesnarkin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The world isn't black and white... you can write a rule where somebody with stupid lawyer talk can make it seem like the opposite of its intent.

I think intent / vision of a rule is more important that nitpicking pronouns or verbs in a sentence.

Unfortunately there are MANY rules lawyers on this server who want to nitpick and rules lawyer and there are also more tattle tales on this server than in a pre-school classroom. and by "Tattle tales" i mean people who will tattle over the slightest non-issue rather than solving things themselves or manning (womaning) up and dealing with the person they have a problem with.

[QUOTE=Psionide;509695]What I still don't understand on p99 is other guilds trying to purposely fuck other guilds over. If it's simply because they don't like each other then ok I guess that's good enough, if its just simply competition to see who the better guild then ok I get the competetion but wouldn't they wanna see who was better with equal gear/circumstances?/QUOTE]

It's just because they don't like each other. but most of them don't have valid reasons not to like the other ones - they just don't like the guild tag that the other people wear.