Preparations

[Jon Lemon]

You don't attenuate virii, you attenuate pathogens. Bacterial pathogens are going to be your primary concern in this case.

step 1: select for known pathogens in local water supply
step 2: cultivate
step 3: attenuate with iodine
step 4: administer with adjuvant to human

I'm sorry we aren't communicating well, but your apparent assumption that i'm spouting absolute gibberish instead of making some attempt to understand is something I'm not going to be able to reconcile with you.

[Jon Lemon]

Originally Posted by Uthgaard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you knew anything about trophism, you'd know that fleas do not bite humans unless their native food source - rodents in this case - is extinct in the immediate environment (if no animals they would live on are around to live on, and they would otherwise starve).

Humans don't get the plague from fleas. They get it from the rodents they live on.

gee i wonder how this situation might arise when you have a dead rodent in your hand. ps I'm a molecular biologist, I was just directing you to the wiki to remind you that you don't put vaccines in your food.

[purest]

Originally Posted by Uthgaard

They would lose any battle just so they could cry about their extremely minor injuries in front of a camera, to further their victim image.

Posted by a guy who ragequit the server like a petulant child and then promptly changed his avatar to Eddard Stark as a testament to his massive, pathological victim/martyr complex.

[Uthgaard]

That's why I thought you were talking about antibiotics. But you were saying vaccine. You use antibiotics for bacteria. Antibiotics come primarily from fungi. Virus particles can be killed any number of ways, including by bacteria.

Bacteria have been killing virus particles for a long time, they do it through things called restriction enzymes. But that isn't a vaccine and neither is iodine, a vaccine is a virus that has been essentially destroyed, or in more accurate terms, just the capsid and its native proteins, so the body can learn how to recognize and kill the virus itself.

[Uthgaard]

Originally Posted by Jon Lemon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You don't attenuate virii, you attenuate pathogens.

This is how I know you're just regurgitating things from wikipedia with no true comprehension. The pathogen that you attenuate is a virus. You don't attenuate a bacteria, the body can kill bacteria whether they're live or dead. The only thing that is or has ever been necessary to "attenuate" is a virus, so the body can develop an immunity to it before it gains access to the human's DNA.

This is because bacterial infections are things that can be killed, and once killed, are gone. A virus incorporates its RNA into human DNA, and remains forever.

You'll find remnants of viral DNA in the genome of every species.

[Jon Lemon]

The source of all this conflict is that you think vaccines against bacteria do not exist. In fact they number in the hundreds, as an immune response can be developed for virtually any antigen using the right preparation of antigen and adjuvant (known as a vaccine).

I will repeat that I have never claimed that iodine is a vaccine. Where's the bacterial antigen in iodine?

You think bacteria don't kill humans constantly? You realize that Y. Pestis is a bacterium and bubonic plague is no joke, right? You think bacterial pathogenicity can't be attenuated? Did you bother even a cursory google fact check before you let this nonsense flow?

We aren't even close to on the same page here.

[Jon Lemon]

Originally Posted by Uthgaard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only thing that is or has ever been necessary to "attenuate" is a virus, so the body can develop an immunity to it before it gains access to the human's DNA.

10/10 i got played

[Uthgaard]

Hasbinbad actually understood this and got the take-home message from it, but water purification doesn't require any iodine or attenuation. What he outlined was a subjective way of saying "no more than 3 parts per million of chlorine" after 30 minutes. Chlorine is all you need for microbes, citric acid is all you need for pH. RO will handle everything else. You can make a crank generator from a sufficiently cheap reversible drill if gas power isn't available.

The water might be some funky color, but it will be safe to drink.

[Hasbinbad]

Maybe one of you is using the defined scientific term "attenuate," while another is using the English word "attentuate."

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe one of you is using the defined scientific term "attenuate," while another is using the English word "attentuate."

This also separates the scientist from the lay person. A science major would know how these terms differ, whereas a lay person would assume "attenuation" as used in a journal means "attenuation" as defined in any given dictionary.