Make it Real PVP Not this sissy stuff

[joel.popick]

I would be down for one item loot rule. maybe try it for a week and see how people like it. or take a vote?

[Truth]

eve is fucking awful

eq was designed for pvp

server needs item loots

[Diggles]

eve pvp blows.

[Snukie]

Originally Posted by Slave [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The gigantic problem with EVE is that skills are learned over IRL time and there is absolutely nothing that you can do as a hardcore player to improve your skill training time over a totally casual player.

So now we have a situation where any beginner is literally years behind most of the veterans, which you can never, ever make up. And skills COUNT. Even after you're able to get into a strong Tech 2 PvP ship, and roll with a good crew, you're going to be routinely eaten alive by someone that has trained up a host of other skills in the same ship.

Another problem is the complete lack of Avatar interaction. After a while, it really feels like you're not playing a MMORPG any more.

The biggest issue though is that combat in EVE is NOT FUN. PvP is NOT FUN. PvE is NOT FUN. You are dots pressing a button to autofire dots at other dots. It is not immersive and it does not really grip you after your first month or two.

And getting killed... it's not like going back to level 1 at all. It's like losing a weapon that you grinded an hour or two for. It's something, it's more than we have here, I'll give it that. In the end, EVE is a very good game with inherent flaws, like anything else. They do get several things very right, such as the 1-server paradigm.

This is information coming from a 4-year MASTER of EVE Online, and the entire time I was a 0.0 CEO and Alliance leader.

Well, now that im playing EQ i do see the advantage of the EvE system. You can actually go and take a 2 weeks vacation and your Character keeps getting skills. A 5 year old Characater can only have frigs to 5 same as a 2 month old character. There you have your Tier 1 pointer, scrambler. However Eve is way more social than EQ. People take newbs into their their guilds , people train newbs , people want to bind newbs to their guilds.


I was never attracted to 0 sec PvP. Low sec pirating or High Sec pirating is way more fun and personal...or even going out solo is still a rush. I dont know about button pushing and autoattacks...isnt there a mmo without it?? Ever played melee in EQ ? :-D


Eve PvP is all about tactics , gameplay knowledge. I like that, it takes time to really be good in PvP and there are no easy roads like insta clickys...all that say Eve online PvP is awfull got their asses handed to them and couldnt replace the ship they lost :P

[fuark]

Originally Posted by MrSparkle001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's because that model is what works. Remember Shadowbane? It didn't last; that model is not appealing. Dark Age Of Camelot on the other hand had the best PvP of any MMORPG.

You want good PvP, play DAOC. There's emulators for it. You want the frustration of a MMORPG that was never designed for PvP, play EQ.

(hint: item loss, xp loss etc. do not a good PvP game make, else we'd have successful MMORPGs that used that model)

Concur. Too bad we don't have the population for a Mordred version of Uthgard. We are relegated to playing on the i50 PVP servers that come and go on DAOC Portal.

A lot of these poopsocking "red?" EQ players PVE grinding their way to Red99 glory could have a lot more fun with a lot less time investment by just playing some DAOC PVP.

Everquest is a PVE game, pure and simple.

[mitic]

pop numbers doubled the moment item loot was TAKEN OUT on vztz so how on earth are u guys thinking that item loot would help since the contrary would occur

just don't post if u don't have a fukin clue. accept the rules or get the fuck outa here. staff is already pissed enuf about all the other current issues

[Doors]

Ya I probably wouldn't even play this shit box if itam loot was in. Getting zero'd by some neckbeard with ice comet that has 40 days playtime already for my gear is stupid.

[Billbike]

Itemloot dumb.

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[HippoNipple]

not enough hardcore pvpers around for item loot

people get really defensive and scared when you bring it up even though there is no chance of it coming here

[Tassador]

item loot is the best makes people mad.