Reset classic server

[Vondra]

Originally Posted by Softcore PK [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's a shame that powergamers have ruined your server, but would a wipe really help? Seems to me the people affected the least would be the same people that ruined it the first time around.. maybe you'd get another fun 3-6 months in the game, but then it'd be back to what it was anyway [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Powergamers haven't ruined the server. If you want to do stuff, it isn't as though the guilds are exclusive and you won't get admitted....you can join them and there's several to choose from that can all do the content.



The point is that the game has gotten dull due to doing the same thing repeatedly, or not bothering at all. In fact it is mostly a flaw within the design of the game itself, not the server.

The idea is that a wipe would help out new players that are having problems finding groups (and there's more than a few of them) and the old players that are just bored with what we have.

Bonus being that we could follow the timeline this time, since so much work is done, so that people wouldn't be sitting around bored doing the same things for too long.

Someone earlier in the thread mentioned the journey being more fun than the destination, and they are right it applies even moreso to EQ than most MMOs. When you get down to EQs endgame, it really isn't much different from WoW. Once you've gotten all buyable stuff and probably amassed lots of cash...all there is to do is wait for the next raid. It's even worse here, since in EQ atm most of the "raiding" is dropping a single target, where you spend 90% of the time just waiting around for people to get there before dropping the mob in less than a minute.

[Softcore PK]

Hm well. Why not try out the pvp server? It seems to be what you're looking for, really..

[Vondra]

Originally Posted by Softcore PK [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hm well. Why not try out the pvp server? It seems to be what you're looking for, really..

Considered it, but don't really care for the concept of other people being my enemy...not in mmorpgs anyway. I like being able to just roam around alone, poke around in areas..."any room in the group for me?", that sort of thing.

I don't want to kill someone or their group and take their camp. I don't want others doing it to me either. I'd rather be friendly with everyone. Other people playing emulated EQ aren't my enemy. This is one case where I like the "new" way of pvp in mmos via instanced battlegrounds of some sort. I can enjoy pvp in mmos as a contest, not as an act of malice.

I did actually try out the pvp server anyway when it was new. Never even made it to the points I was mentioning above, the community was enough to make me leave. I don't want to seek out a guild that's not a bunch of asses either, so I can avoid the majority of people. If I have to avoid the majority of people playing there, there's no real reason for me to play there.

[goodle]

The pvp server is not the answer. I would bet that maybe 90 out of 350 players on the pvp server actually play there because they love EQ pvp. The other 80 percent or so are just bored and mess around there because it is something new to do. The right move would of been keeping 1 server and resetting it back to day 1. I think personally with the pvp server here to stay Project 1999 is going to slowly wither away in time. Instead of 2 years down the line having a steady 400-500 population still, both servers will have around 100-150 on at a time max. I think the devs got a little cocky with the player base and didn't estimate the burn out effect EQ can have.

[Splorf22]

So here is an idea: what happens if we implement fairly strict required levels on gear and spells. For example, I have been playing my warrior twink in Mistmoore. I grouped with a 32 monk twink and a 30 cleric, switched on to my enchanter to give the monk haste and the cleric c2. Between these buffs and our gear (imbued fighter staff on the monk, staff of battle on my warrior) we were able to own the castle entrance - regularly killing red mobs with no downtime. I'm guessing I would have gotten through 30 in maybe 3 hours, or a normal level in 2 or less. Alternatively I can just buy PL for maybe 1-1.5k pp/level. So the point is, leveling up an alt is really fast, and even new players will zoom up to high level quickly because they are grouped with the twinks.

Suppose instead we limited all buff spells to +/- 10 levels and all equipment to 'dropping-monster's level -5'. Then my warrior would be using a Blacked Iron Bastard Sword (20/47) instead of a Staff of Battle (31/37), and neither of us would be using an FBSS, etc.

[Vondra]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So here is an idea: what happens if we implement fairly strict required levels on gear and spells. For example, I have been playing my warrior twink in Mistmoore. I grouped with a 32 monk twink and a 30 cleric, switched on to my enchanter to give the monk haste and the cleric c2. Between these buffs and our gear (imbued fighter staff on the monk, staff of battle on my warrior) we were able to own the castle entrance - regularly killing red mobs with no downtime. I'm guessing I would have gotten through 30 in maybe 3 hours, or a normal level in 2 or less. Alternatively I can just buy PL for maybe 1-1.5k pp/level. So the point is, leveling up an alt is really fast, and even new players will zoom up to high level quickly because they are grouped with the twinks.

Suppose instead we limited all buff spells to +/- 10 levels and all equipment to 'dropping-monster's level -5'. Then my warrior would be using a Blacked Iron Bastard Sword (20/47) instead of a Staff of Battle (31/37), and neither of us would be using an FBSS, etc.

I get the spirit of this but I think it would hurt interest in alts more than it'd help. I think that's actually one of the appeals to EQ that gives it a little more longevity, the twinking.

[Darwoth]

why dont some of you carebear raider guilds move over to the pvp server then, killing a raid target might be worthy of bragging about when you had to kill the other guild in order to take it.

or continue farming the 50 thousandth level 40 item for no purpose other than to put on a bank alt because the other 400 people on your server already have one then logging on for the big "but we were here first!" argument.

[Plaidpants]

Originally Posted by Darwoth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

why dont some of you carebear raider guilds move over to the pvp server then, killing a raid target might be worthy of bragging about when you had to kill the other guild in order to take it.

or continue farming the 50 thousandth level 40 item for no purpose other than to put on a bank alt because the other 400 people on your server already have one then logging on for the big "but we were here first!" argument.

If I want to pvp - I'll go play a pvp game - like the classic DAoC emulator or any modern mmorpg currently out. EQ's pvp is just isn't good..at all.. so I'd rather just focus on the actual good parts of EQ rather than something that was put originally put in half-assed (by the EQ staff not P99's staff) as a gimmick/niche servers.

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by Darwoth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

why dont some of you carebear raider guilds move over to the pvp server then, killing a raid target might be worthy of bragging about when you had to kill the other guild in order to take it.

or continue farming the 50 thousandth level 40 item for no purpose other than to put on a bank alt because the other 400 people on your server already have one then logging on for the big "but we were here first!" argument.

Darwoth makes good sense here. I only log in on blue to buff folks in EC now and again.

I wouldn't seriously play blue ever again...and without a red alternative, I'd move on. I love EQ, and red allows for true competition. The people that thought they were going to be soloing PK kings aren't. (With a nod to Lovely, however). Most of the population has banded together, and dying to a PK is the exception now, not the rule. (Unless it's 4am and no one's in CB but you and 4 griefers, lol).

I was here almost on day one. I loved the experience for the most part on blue...but it's not, nor will it ever be, what we all remember. Going through all the motions on blue again would not be something I want to do...because the end result would be the same.

At least on red, everyone has the power to change things. Guild alliances can break bigger guilds' holds on zones and content. Politics can play a huge role, but PvP resolves all issues.

With the right mindset, red is incredibly fun. Even when you die 15 times to some random griefer...the game then becomes outleveling them and then hitting back...or hitting back with no hope of winning, like I tend to do. (Or catching them with their pants down, and making them pay. Whatever works).

[Faisca]

I’m against a server reset at this point, for reasons that have already been mentioned by other people here.

But if there is a reset, I would prefer that my current characters be frozen instead of deleted. This way everyone would experience the server fresh start, but with the option to go back to their “old” characters at some point and continue from there without losing all the time that was invested in those characters.

But the way I see it, the server is fine as it is. Don’t wipe it.