Cleaning Up Our Collective Act

[Gwence]

How ignorant of you to immediately assume people using the word fag are describing a derogatory term in relation to a homosexual.

–verb (used with object)
1.to tire or weary by labor; exhaust (often fol. by out): The long climb fagged us out.
2.British. to require (a younger public-school pupil) to do menial chores.
3.Nautical. to fray or unlay the end of (a rope).
–verb (used without object)
4.Chiefly British. to work until wearied; work hard: to fag away at French.
5.British Informal. to do menial chores for an older public-school pupil.
–noun
6.Slang. a cigarette.
7.a fag end, as of cloth.
8.a rough or defective spot in a woven fabric; blemish; flaw.
9.Chiefly British. drudgery; toil.
10.British Informal. a younger pupil in a British public school required to perform certain menial tasks for, and submit to the hazing of, an older pupil.
11.a drudge.

The bolded one is my favorite

Also, the OP is a fag.

[JaVeDK]

While I agree with the OP, I've come to the conclusion that there is just no way of changing this, so you might as well try to live with it.

I'm extremely disappointed in the trolling and general level of rudeness mainly on these boards, but to a certain degree also in game. My expectations were that very few who never played the original EQ would be drawn to this project, and thus the average age would be well over 25. My hopes were that this would create a much more mature environment/atmosphere with no, or very few, immature selfish jerks - like you find in abundance in most other online games.

Needless to say, that is not the case.

[Grento]

Originally Posted by Omnimorph [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Really? Someone's QQing over the language and bigotry?

Just grow up, why throw the toys out of the pram just because someone used a word you don't like? The reason people haven't been banned is because the GM's are sensible.

Hey, on an ideal forum in an ideal world there would be no arguments, and if there were, both parties would lay out their argument, pick logical flaws with their opposition's counter arguments, and after everyone has had their say, agree on who won or compromise.

This is the internet, and that doesn't happen. You disagree with someone and they're an idiot, they'll forego logic and call you a fag. In which case you should see that you're wasting your time on them and move on.

Then they should change the rules to reflect what ever policy is being followed. If not, what other rules are we allowed to break without being punished?

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Grento [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then they should change the rules to reflect what ever policy is being followed. If not, what other rules are we allowed to break without being punished?

This.

[Humerox]

This is what we'd like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jr9hPbYmBo

And this is what we get:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJ7mLJK4X5I

Oh wellz. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[jilena]

Maybe I have just been doing "the online thing" for too long. I have long since reached the point where words in the general sense no longer offend me. I am not saying I am immune to having my feelings hurt or my buttons pushed, but it will be the intent of the individual saying the things that bother me rather than the words themselves.

I can watch people call each other jews, faggots, ******s, pussies, spics, crackers, nerds, pedos, losers, fat basement dwelling jobless retards, whatever without feeling the need to call my local congressman and tell him what's what. Typically the intent on the internet is a combination of harmless poking of fun combined with anonimity opening up the vocabulary most people look around the room before using IRL. Am I saying this is classy and should be encouraged? Hardly. I'm not gonna have a little cry over it though. I can watch Finawin call half the forum pussies without finding myself offended that someone would imply the inferiority of women (or cats) by using such terminology...

These words by themselves and their use in a general sense may not be held in the best regard, but I think the alternative of censoring everything that might offend someone is much worse. Where do you draw the line? Some people are offended by sexuality, some people bathroom humor, some religion, etc. Shall we dumb all conversation down to the point that there is no flavor or substance and everyone spends more time trying not to offend anyone than they do actually saying anything? I bet even then someone would still be offended.

My opinion changes when words become directed toward someone with the deliberate intent of hurting that person. People being called fat who have a weight problem, people being picked on for their race or sexual preferences, etc etc. The point where it becomes directed insults or even harassment it becomes something different all together. This I believe should be discouraged and fought as needed. This is a fairly friendly place for the most part and no one deserves to be singled out and abused. I tend to avoid namecalling myself as most forum denizens really need little to no help in making themselves look ridiculous. That's not to say I am above a little trolling for personal amusement.

Of course all of these opinions are moot (yes not mute jc so many people say this) as this is a privately owned/operated forum and server and those in charge and those they deputize can mete out justice and drop the banhammer where they see fit.

TL;DR - Down with censorship; Harassment = Bad; Sticks and stones my friend; P99/EQEMU = NOT a democracy.

I forget anything?

[jilena]

Originally Posted by Grento [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then they should change the rules to reflect what ever policy is being followed. If not, what other rules are we allowed to break without being punished?

LOL seriously? Where do you live that every broken rule is immediately punished? Or even the majority of them?

Rules are there so when they do decide to punish you they can be like "You were warned... You chose to break the rule."

While this may sound crazy, people skate by breaking rules all the time and may never get caught and/or punished even once. People speed on the highway, cheat on their taxes, cut in line, lie, steal, etc... Hell there are even a good number of unsolved murders out there. It doesn't make any of it right or fair but it happens and the world goes on turning without even noticing. Crazy I think.

I would be willing to wager there is not a single person in the world over the age of like 12 that has never lied, cheated, stolen, or broken some rule at some point in their life and got away with it.

TL;DR - Everybody gets away with breaking the rules on occasion.

Also, that tl;dr was originally everybody cheats which now has everybody hurts by rem stuck in my head. I hate you all. And you most of all ADHD!

[Grento]

Originally Posted by jilena [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe I have just been doing "the online thing" for too long. I have long since reached the point where words in the general sense no longer offend me. I am not saying I am immune to having my feelings hurt or my buttons pushed, but it will be the intent of the individual saying the things that bother me rather than the words themselves.

I can watch people call each other jews, faggots, ******s, pussies, spics, crackers, nerds, pedos, losers, fat basement dwelling jobless retards, whatever without feeling the need to call my local congressman and tell him what's what. Typically the intent on the internet is a combination of harmless poking of fun combined with anonimity opening up the vocabulary most people look around the room before using IRL. Am I saying this is classy and should be encouraged? Hardly. I'm not gonna have a little cry over it though. I can watch Finawin call half the forum pussies without finding myself offended that someone would imply the inferiority of women (or cats) by using such terminology...

These words by themselves and their use in a general sense may not be held in the best regard, but I think the alternative of censoring everything that might offend someone is much worse. Where do you draw the line? Some people are offended by sexuality, some people bathroom humor, some religion, etc. Shall we dumb all conversation down to the point that there is no flavor or substance and everyone spends more time trying not to offend anyone than they do actually saying anything? I bet even then someone would still be offended.

My opinion changes when words become directed toward someone with the deliberate intent of hurting that person. People being called fat who have a weight problem, people being picked on for their race or sexual preferences, etc etc. The point where it becomes directed insults or even harassment it becomes something different all together. This I believe should be discouraged and fought as needed. This is a fairly friendly place for the most part and no one deserves to be singled out and abused. I tend to avoid namecalling myself as most forum denizens really need little to no help in making themselves look ridiculous. That's not to say I am above a little trolling for personal amusement.

Of course all of these opinions are moot (yes not mute jc so many people say this) as this is a privately owned/operated forum and server and those in charge and those they deputize can mete out justice and drop the banhammer where they see fit.

TL;DR - Down with censorship; Harassment = Bad; Sticks and stones my friend; P99/EQEMU = NOT a democracy.

I forget anything?

I agree to some extent but my problem isn't the content. It's the fact that rules are being broken and nothing is being done about it. You can't expect a large group of people to follow the rules if they know that some are OK to break without repercussion. MMO's generally have a very large population of people that look for any way to get ahead, this means taking advantage of gray areas and walking the line between what will get you banned and what will get you a slap on the wrist.

I like this server and I want it to have a large diverse population, that is not going to happen if people see they can break rules.

[Grento]

Originally Posted by jilena [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

LOL seriously? Where do you live that every broken rule is immediately punished? Or even the majority of them?

Rules are there so when they do decide to punish you they can be like "You were warned... You chose to break the rule."

While this may sound crazy, people skate by breaking rules all the time and may never get caught and/or punished even once. People speed on the highway, cheat on their taxes, cut in line, lie, steal, etc... Hell there are even a good number of unsolved murders out there. It doesn't make any of it right or fair but it happens and the world goes on turning without even noticing. Crazy I think.

I would be willing to wager there is not a single person in the world over the age of like 12 that has never lied, cheated, stolen, or broken some rule at some point in their life and got away with it.

TL;DR - Everybody gets away with breaking the rules on occasion.

Also, that tl;dr was originally everybody cheats which now has everybody hurts by rem stuck in my head. I hate you all. And you most of all ADHD!

All I am saying, is you can't expect people to follow the rules if you don't enforce them all.

Any parent knows this, any teacher knows this, anyone in a position of power knows this. If I let my employees come late once without repercussions, they will do it all of the time, it really is that simple.

[jilena]

Originally Posted by Grento [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree to some extent but my problem isn't the content. It's the fact that rules are being broken and nothing is being done about it. You can't expect a large group of people to follow the rules if they know that some are OK to break without repercussion. MMO's generally have a very large population of people that look for any way to get ahead, this means taking advantage of gray areas and walking the line between what will get you banned and what will get you a slap on the wrist.

I like this server and I want it to have a large diverse population, that is not going to happen if people see they can break rules.

Well kinda going back to what I said in my longer post, I think if people are constantly being harassed and nothing is done (and this is not the case) then I see this as being bad. There being a blanket rule that you should avoid saying overly offensive things I think is more in place to avoid people getting way out of control. I don't think the intended purpose is to stop people from playfully calling each other "fags" in the rants and flames forum.

I dunno...