An Open Letter To Aruden

[Autotune]

lol, applying the word holocaust to specifically the Jew people is a fucking insult. It's like when I say the word black and you think i'm talkin about some african slave bunny from the south picking cotton. No you dumb fuck, I was referring the the crayon.






ITT: Pussies easily offended by words.

[Odonk]

it isnt like the entire server population is just going to quit playing just because a few morons find a guild name offensive. and besides, who are you to decide what another guilds name means? just get some preparation H for your butt and move on

[Aadill]

hol·o·caust

1. Great destruction resulting in the extensive loss of life, especially by fire.
2.

• Holocaust The genocide of European Jews and others by the Nazis during World War II
• A massive slaughter

3. A sacrificial offering that is consumed entirely by flames.

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If *i* was a GM, I would look at chat logs etc., and the first time they said anything remotely anti-Semitic, I'd disband the guild and IP ban every single one of them, but that's me, and I could understand not having the time to deal with that.

Originally Posted by pickled_heretic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

why do you need evidence that its intent was anti-semitic? this isn't a court of law, it's an emulated everquest server. it's best to err on the side of caution.

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lol, applying the word holocaust to specifically the Jew people is a fucking insult. It's like when I say the word black and you think i'm talkin about some african slave bunny from the south picking cotton. No you dumb fuck, I was referring the the crayon.

ITT: Pussies easily offended by words.

Political correctness is a sham for those who are afraid to define things as they are; a method used to completely circumvent feeling bad about a perceived bigotry. All that shit does is cause polarization.

Black people are African American while white people are White? No one says, "caucasian" unless they are trying to inadvertently make people feel bad about the polar opposite.

The word holocaust does NOT belong to the Jews. Sho`ah, HaShoah, Churben, Hurban, and The Holocaust are all words to describe it in various Jewish forms, but it is not a word that BELONGS to an event. Holocaust and The Holocaust are not the same and anyone who thinks they are is part of the problem. Adolf, to this day, is verboten for a child's name in Germany.

I can understand that the words conjure up bad images but how about all the other people that were named Adolf at the time? How about peoples birthdays on 9/11? How about weddings, anniversaries on 9/11? How about wanting to sit at the back of the bus in middle school? How about the problems of wage slavery? How about being a custodian or janitor and being called a sanitation engineer? How about a truck driver being called a 'freight relocation specialist?' Words become negative because people make them that way. Stop attaching emotions to emotionless words.




With all of that said whining and calling the GMs racist is not a good way to get what you want. Derp.

[Shannacore]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If *i* was a GM, I would look at chat logs etc., and the first time they said anything remotely anti-Semitic, I'd disband the guild and IP ban every single one of them, but that's me, and I could understand not having the time to deal with that.

Not sure if srs

[pickled_heretic]

Originally Posted by Aadill [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

hol·o·caust

1. Great destruction resulting in the extensive loss of life, especially by fire.
2.

• Holocaust The genocide of European Jews and others by the Nazis during World War II
• A massive slaughter

3. A sacrificial offering that is consumed entirely by flames.









Political correctness is a sham for those who are afraid to define things as they are; a method used to completely circumvent feeling bad about a perceived bigotry. All that shit does is cause polarization.

Black people are African American while white people are White? No one says, "caucasian" unless they are trying to inadvertently make people feel bad about the polar opposite.

The word holocaust does NOT belong to the Jews. Sho`ah, HaShoah, Churben, Hurban, and The Holocaust are all words to describe it in various Jewish forms, but it is not a word that BELONGS to an event. Holocaust and The Holocaust are not the same and anyone who thinks they are is part of the problem. Adolf, to this day, is verboten for a child's name in Germany.

you are supporting a very bizarre view by trying to make this analogy. Adolf would not have been an appropriate name for classic everquest, so whether or not it's verboten for the jesus of fucking Nazareth it's a really bad example to use.

there is a time and a place to have these discussions about controversial topics, a p99 server is not one of them. If the guild's name was "The Holocaust" there would be no dispute over whether or not it was offensive, the only issue is whether or not the word by itself most commonly refers to the judeocide. if you type simply "holocaust" into a search engine you will struggle to find a non-judeocide related article. the soonest i could find anything non-related to the wholesale slaughter of jews was page 8 of the search results.

[Aadill]

I was referencing word association and negative connotations that people build out of their own volition, not by some empirical or intrinsic discovery of a word in a language.

Originally Posted by pickled_heretic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the only issue is whether or not the word by itself most commonly refers to the judeocide. if you type simply "holocaust" into a search engine you will struggle to find a non-judeocide related article. the soonest i could find anything non-related to the wholesale slaughter of jews was page 8 of the search results.

Do you expect people to discuss the merits of a word defined in a dictionary or discuss the event that people associate with the word? Whose fault is that? why do you think those search results are in the order they are in?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Search_engine_results_page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Search_engine_optimization


Negative connotations are only part of the English language because we let them be there. We associate feelings with words. Say niggling or *****rdly in public and see what sort of responses you get. Are they archaic words? You bet... but the point is phonetics and emotions kick in and people get more concerned with how it makes them feel rather than what it means. Holocaust in the terms of a fantasy game is probably something like how The Hole was created. That was a holocaust in relation to the game. Massive PvP destruction, although my disdain for the majority of the general PvP population is high, should be able to use that particular word if they so choose. I support that under the concept of people in this world purposely creating negative emotion over words. It's not just about The Holocaust vs holocaust, but this is a perfect example.

Have you been up in arms over the erudite jokes? Is this offensive?

[Odonk]

when did google become the one stop shop to tell us whether or not something is racist? it seems to me that your whole argument revolves around the fact that google has 8 pages of information about The Holocaust when you search for "holocaust" before it shows anything NOT pertaining to it.

[pickled_heretic]

Originally Posted by Aadill [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was referencing word association and negative connotations that people build out of their own volition, not by some empirical or intrinsic discovery of a word in a language.

no such thing. the domain of language is exclusively subjective. a word means precisely what a person's interpretation of that word is. if most people conjure up images of burning jews and gas chambers when you say "holocaust," then that's what the word means. i'm not going to embarrass you by responding to the rest of your post, especially the last part.

[xshayla701]

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[Aadill]

Originally Posted by pickled_heretic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

no such thing. the domain of language is exclusively subjective. a word means precisely what a person's interpretation of that word is. if most people conjure up images of burning jews and gas chambers when you say "holocaust," then that's what the word means. i'm not going to embarrass you by responding to the rest of your post, especially the last part.

Embarrass me on the P99 boards I don't give a fuck. If this board is "not a place for these sorts of discussions," then heed your own warning otherwise discuss it.

Tell me, do you expect people to discuss the merits of a word defined in a dictionary or discuss the event that people associate with the word?

Originally Posted by Odonk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

when did google become the one stop shop to tell us whether or not something is racist? it seems to me that your whole argument revolves around the fact that google has 8 pages of information about The Holocaust when you search for "holocaust" before it shows anything NOT pertaining to it.