Who can beat Oblahblah?

[MrSparkle001]

You want the truth? The real truth? The truth everyone knows but nobody wants to admit?

The only person who can beat Obama is another minority.

The reason he won is the massive turnout in urban counties which coincidentally are heavily minority. Let me ask: Do you think the turnout would have been nearly the same in 2008 if it were McCain vs, say, Kerry? Or in 2012 Romney vs Lieberman? No. In 1988 Bush won 62% of the white vote and like 400 electoral votes. In 2012 Romney won 62% of the white vote and like 200 electoral votes.

The talking heads today keep saying it's the "changing demographics" in this country, but come on, we know why urban counties voted in such huge numbers. It's racial. Not racist, racial (there's a huge difference). I'd bet my life that a lot of people voted for Obama who can't even name Romney's V.P.

It's the truth. In 2016 there will not be nearly the same turnout in urban counties as there was in 2008 and 2012, unless there's a candidate with similar racial backgrounds. It's not racist, it's just how it is.

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by MrSparkle001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You want the truth? The real truth? The truth everyone knows but nobody wants to admit?

The only person who can beat Obama is another minority.

The reason he won is the massive turnout in urban counties which coincidentally are heavily minority. Let me ask: Do you think the turnout would have been nearly the same in 2008 if it were McCain vs, say, Kerry? Or in 2012 Romney vs Lieberman? No. In 1988 Bush won 62% of the white vote and like 400 electoral votes. In 2012 Romney won 62% of the white vote and like 200 electoral votes.

The talking heads today keep saying it's the "changing demographics" in this country, but come on, we know why urban counties voted in such huge numbers. It's racial. Not racist, racial (there's a huge difference). I'd bet my life that a lot of people voted for Obama who can't even name Romney's V.P.

It's the truth. In 2016 there will not be nearly the same turnout in urban counties as there was in 2008 and 2012, unless there's a candidate with similar racial backgrounds. It's not racist, it's just how it is.

Well, considering minorities did overwhelmingly vote for Kerry (including 91% of the black vote), that would make your argument kind of silly wouldn't it?

Next time a republican wins let's just ignorantly blame it on the white vote.

[Lexical]

Apparently a campaign that trivializes rape, promotes creationism over evolution, and promises to harass legal immigrants is a bad campaign strategy. Who knew?

If the republican party is to continue, it needs to drop the bigoted, over zealous religious right. The GOP loses the majority on social issues a lot of the time. Ever wonder why so many of the moderate republicans jumped ship during the last 4 years? It is because the GOP caters to bigotry. That is the sad truth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Wolfgang]

Originally Posted by Lexical [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Apparently a campaign that trivializes rape, promotes creationism over evolution, and promises to harass legal immigrants is a bad campaign strategy. Who knew?

If the republican party is to continue, it needs to drop the bigoted, over zealous religious right. The GOP loses the majority on social issues a lot of the time. Ever wonder why so many of the moderate republicans jumped ship during the last 4 years? It is because the GOP caters to bigotry. That is the sad truth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

well said

[Black Jesus]

democrats have the same batshit crazy foreign policy. VP debates were who would bomb a country not building a nuclear weapon faster

[Clark]

That's Romney-economics.

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by purist 4.0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The GOP got swamped because they're unwilling to adapt to the reality of the changing electorate. You're not going to win elections solely on the white male protestant vote anymore. Hell, they can't even carry single white women at this point.

Purge the right-wing nutjobs and moderate your outdated ideology on religion, immigration, abortion, gay rights, birth control access, and a batshit crazy foreign policy, or keep losing every election and continue your rapid descent into irrelevancy on the level of the Dixiecrats.

p much.

Black people have voted overwhelmingly Democrat for 20+ years now. Yes, Obama enjoyed higher percentages and significantly greater turnout than typical Democrats, but that's hardly a surprise. Democrats also historically win the Hispanic and gay votes. Obama's majorities in those demos were significant, and larger than historic trends, but hardly disproportionate. I'd say that the increased percentage amongst Hispanics and gay people is as much a reflection of an increasingly radical Republican platform as it is a reflection of any kind of racial or minority identification. And even as the percentage of each demo that the Democrats are winning has grown, the base populations have increased by significant margins.

Republican foreign policy can probably stay -- it's really not all that different from the Democrats' foreign policy. But their platforms on immigration, gay rights, abortion, and taxation are going to need to be seriously reworked. They need to seriously court Hispanic voters and stop alienating gay voters that otherwise lean right. They also need to stop scaring women into thinking they're going to have to cross borders to get abortions and stop treating taxation like cruel and unusual punishment.

[Hailto]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well, considering minorities did overwhelmingly vote for Kerry (including 91% of the black vote), that would make your argument kind of silly wouldn't it?

Next time a republican wins let's just ignorantly blame it on the white vote.

Yeah, im pretty sure the point he is making is that when its a minority candidate more minorities get out and vote for them. Not what percentage of minorities vote democrat that doesn't change very often.

[Massive Marc]

Originally Posted by purist 4.0 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The GOP got swamped because they're unwilling to adapt to the reality of the changing electorate. You're not going to win elections solely on the white male protestant vote anymore. Hell, they can't even carry single white women at this point.

Purge the right-wing nutjobs and moderate your outdated ideology on religion, immigration, abortion, gay rights, birth control access, and a batshit crazy foreign policy, or keep losing every election and continue your rapid descent into irrelevancy on the level of the Dixiecrats.

Essentially this.

Republicans lost this more then the Democrats won. (if that makes sense)

Rudy Giuliani was on MSNBC last night and echoed the same sentiment of outdated ideology. You could see it at the coverage of both parties headquarters. Sad part is, if Republicans did a little homework and didn't have their head in the sand, they could have easily beat the Democrats.

If the Republicans can learn to stay out of peoples lives and bedrooms, relook at their stance on immigration and generally stay away from nutball crazies.. then they have a good chance during the next race. As it is now, they're WAY out of touch.

[MrSparkle001]

Originally Posted by Hailto [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, im pretty sure the point he is making is that when its a minority candidate more minorities get out and vote for them. Not what percentage of minorities vote democrat that doesn't change very often.

Yes that's exactly what I'm saying. The issue in 2008 and 2012 is much simpler than changing demographics or the decline of the republican party. There was what, a difference of 2 million popular votes between Obama and Romney? I wouldn't exactly take that to mean the republican party is doomed.

This election came down to urban counties voting en masse for Obama. Look at Florida. Most of the counties went red but the urban counties went overwhelmingly blue, and not coincidentally those counties are the most heavily populated and have the most minorities.

The pressure is now on the Dems to produce a candidate in 2016 who will have the same appeal Obama did, who will entice people who would otherwise not vote to get out and vote.