The Dot Stack Thread *TM

[Castle]

Melveny

• The patch they quoted is July 2002.
• My quotes are from January 2001, when Velious was only 1 month old.
• There is no other patch from 1999-2002 that addresses any DoT changes in regards to stacking
• Thus, the only logical explanation is that it was always this way.
• Unless you can provide evidence earlier than Jan 01 that says otherwise.

Necros were mad and to a lesser extend druids. Shamans spent their time slowing and spot healing, they sometimes had time for DoTs. They were mad you can infinitely add mages/wiz for DPS, but 1-3 shamans could land all the shamans DoTs. Necros were mad their lines didn't stack and only 1 necro was needed. Wizards can constantly cast IC til OOM. Once Plague/Ebolts lands you could only stack weaker DoTs. It doesn't do as much damage as you would think.

Wizard nukes 1.2k per blast for 400 mana. With 2K mana he can drop 6k dmg in less than 45 seconds. A shaman's damage is over time. His top 2 DoTs do 2k. One takes over 2 minutes, 1 takes 42 seconds. You're blowing DoT'stacking as being imba way out of proportion.

Unless someone finds some new and contradictory info between end of '99 and beginning of '01 my conclusion still stands. Once again I am not arguing for Necros/Druids because the evidence is clear they had lines of DoTs that didn't stack. I have only proven Shamans DoTs all stacked since the beginning.

[Lovely]

Originally Posted by Castle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Melveny

• The patch they quoted is July 2002.
• My quotes are from January 2001, when Velious was only 1 month old.
• There is no other patch from 1999-2002 that addresses any DoT changes in regards to stacking
• Thus, the only logical explanation is that it was always this way.
• Unless you can provide evidence earlier than Jan 01 that says otherwise.

Necros were mad and to a lesser extend druids. Shamans spent their time slowing and spot healing, they sometimes had time for DoTs. They were mad you can infinitely add mages/wiz for DPS, but 1-3 shamans could land all the shamans DoTs. Necros were mad their lines didn't stack and only 1 necro was needed. Wizards can constantly cast IC til OOM. Once Plague/Ebolts lands you could only stack weaker DoTs. It doesn't do as much damage as you would think.

Wizard nukes 1.2k per blast for 400 mana. With 2K mana he can drop 6k dmg in less than 45 seconds. A shaman's damage is over time. His top 2 DoTs do 2k. One takes over 2 minutes, 1 takes 42 seconds. You're blowing DoT'stacking as being imba way out of proportion.

Unless someone finds some new and contradictory info between end of '99 and beginning of '01 my conclusion still stands. Once again I am not arguing for Necros/Druids because the evidence is clear they had lines of DoTs that didn't stack. I have only proven Shamans DoTs all stacked since the beginning.

This post makes no sense what so ever. Why are you even comparing a Wizard to a Healer/support/buff/dot class? Jesus you're stupid. Half the information you posted is even wrong.

You can throw 10 different nerfs to Shamans and they would still be the most fkin overpowered class in both PVE and PVP.

I don't even understand why people mention Wizard so much on this forum, most likely because of me. But it's like the most underpowered class in both PVE and PVP. Wizard can do 1 thing and that's nuke hard and go oom fast. Nothing else. It's a shit class especially in Classic when stuns or shock of lightning don't even work. A rogue is more powerful overall. There is a reason why Wizard is the least played class on Blue99 by MILES.

[dusk883]

Ex-necro and ex-enchanter reporting in with back in the day story time:

Necro dots same line didn't stack ever on TZ back in the day.

But if it does here, let's let Bard selos stack IMO

[valithteezee]

Originally Posted by Lovely [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This post makes no sense what so ever. Why are you even comparing a Wizard to a Healer/support/buff/dot class? Jesus you're stupid. Half the information you posted is even wrong.

You can throw 10 different nerfs to Shamans and they would still be the most fkin overpowered class in both PVE and PVP.

I don't even understand why people mention Wizard so much on this forum, most likely because of me. But it's like the most underpowered class in both PVE and PVP. Wizard can do 1 thing and that's nuke hard and go oom fast. Nothing else. It's a shit class especially in Classic when stuns or shock of lightning don't even work. A rogue is more powerful overall. There is a reason why Wizard is the least played class on Blue99 by MILES.

His post is well thought out and articulate. You are not adding anything constructive to the argument. I would prefer if you stop shitting up my post with OP flames. Castle mentions several times that shamans are the only exception to the rule of dot stacking. Whether this was a bug or intentional by the DEV's to have all shaman buffs stack is a different argument.

[Lovely]

Originally Posted by valithteezee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

His post is well thought out and articulate. You are not adding anything constructive to the argument. I would prefer if you stop shitting up my post with OP flames. Castle mentions several times that shamans are the only exception to the rule of dot stacking. Whether this was a bug or intentional by the DEV's to have all shaman buffs stack is a different argument.

I would have if he didn't make some Shaman/Wizard comparison that made no sense at all and had nothing to do with the point he was trying to make.

[Castle]

I was making the point that DoT stacking like it did in classic wouldn't be OP, as someone here claimed. The comparison is perfectly fitting because shamans are DoT champs and wizards are nuke champs, so comparing DoTs vs nukes, shamans vs wiz is a suitable comparison. I'll post my comparison in a few minutes.

[Lovely]

Let me do it for you. Both Ebolt and Plague do more damage then an Ice comet, has less cast time, PR/DR resist items are lacking so everyone will ignore those resist and aim for high MR/FR/CR. On top of that Shaman got the best buffs in the game, heals, cures, pet and an answer for everything any class can do. That's the PVP comparison for you

[keto]

Please clarify please... You are quoting posts from 2001 on how DoTs behaved in 1999? Find quotes from 1999 instead of one month before Velious.

[Castle]

Keto, the Devs are basing their system on a vague patch message from 2002. I am 1.5 years earlier than them. The burden of proof isn't on me to prove myself wrong. If there exists earlier posts that's great. I can't prove something doesn't exist though. I can say there are no patch messages prior to Jan of 2001 (1 month after velious release) that address DoT stacking for Shamans or any class. Which means the evidence I provided is the most accurate we have. The burden of proof rests on those who believe such earlier evidence exists.

Lovely, a wiz can blow 6k of damage via IC in 45 seconds or less with 2k of mana about ~133 DPS
A shaman can do 6.5k of dmg with Plague and Scourge once and Ebolt and VoS 3 times each somewhere around 2 minutes and 45 seconds, or ~40 DPS with 2k of mana. Wiz dump almost the same amount of dmg and it can't be cured....

And you do realize classic IC 1.2k is more damage than Ebolt, right?

Lovely, QQ less about Shamans being OP.

[keto]

Originally Posted by Castle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Keto, the Devs are basing their system on a vague patch message from 2002. I am 1.5 years earlier than them. The burden of proof isn't on me to prove myself wrong. If there exists earlier posts that's great. I can't prove something doesn't exist though. I can say there are no patch messages prior to Jan of 2001 (1 month after velious release) that address DoT stacking for Shamans or any class. Which means the evidence I provided is the most accurate we have. The burden of proof rests on those who believe such earlier evidence exists.

This isn't a court room. Devs don't have to prove anything to you. Claiming the Devs are wrong by pointing out forum posts from a different era than the server is intended to exist makes for a very weak argument. Especially when it is in direct conflict with how the majority of this forum remembers classic. I would say that if you want to prove the issue decisively than find posts which are dated pre-Kunark and try again.