Paladins in PvP

[pickled_heretic]

Originally Posted by mitic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

true that!

shadowknight dex is not great, shadowknights are generally large classes who didn't put a single point into dex and their class specific gear is divided between the melee stats and int.

can't reasonably expect more than a proc, maybe two a minute.

you can't dps while casting any spell, so if you change targets quickly you won't really notice any greater dps reduction from healing yourself than if you were casting on another target.

[Nirgon]

Then again, str is pretty easy to max as an SK (maybe not if you get golem wanded). Dex good for recasting/procs.

[pickled_heretic]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then again, str is pretty easy to max as an SK (maybe not if you get golem wanded). Dex good for recasting/procs.

that's true but i'm not sure how that is relevant to the discussion at hand. the vast majority of people don't put a single point into dex on creation, shadowknights included.

[mitic]

Originally Posted by pickled_heretic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

that's true but i'm not sure how that is relevant to the discussion at hand. the vast majority of people don't put a single point into dex on creation, shadowknights included.

yep thats true but DEX should be taken into consideration as a SK since vampiric embrace is already available at lvl 22.. one or two added procs in one fight do more dmg (dont forget the added heal) than +20 str

[Gravy]

If you are competant and can use your classes skills at the right times, both sks and palis can do a lot. But you arent saving ne groupmates with an sk.

[Vile]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1v1 a 50 paladin in equivalent gear should beat a 50 SK in equivalent gear, if they're both men about it or fight on the arena platform.

Quite possibly I'd say this could be a coin flip. Maybe a slight advantage to the pally because of the lame 1v1 in the arena situation, but in a "real" PvP situation, the SK should never die to a Paladin.

Comparing a 300hp heal vs the SK's lifetap is an illogical way to compare the 2 classes.

[pickled_heretic]

Originally Posted by mitic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yep thats true but DEX should be taken into consideration as a SK since vampiric embrace is already available at lvl 22.. one or two added procs in one fight do more dmg (dont forget the added heal) than +20 str

that's great, i'm not arguing with that. i'm saying that nobody ever puts points into dex as a shadowknight so saying that an average large race shadowknight's dex on average will be anything more than total shit is being facetious.

[tbox]

Another consideration would be how easy it is to get a 30 damage jouster for a sk at like lvl 20 with the gatorsmash maul.

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by Vile [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Quite possibly I'd say this could be a coin flip. Maybe a slight advantage to the pally because of the lame 1v1 in the arena situation, but in a "real" PvP situation, the SK should never die to a Paladin.

Comparing a 300hp heal vs the SK's lifetap is an illogical way to compare the 2 classes.

Yeah its kind of an "on paper" assessment. The real bonus to the SK is being a large race, duh obvi right. Don't forget also the paladin gets both counteract poison and disease along with some lower end magic buff when it isn't available otherwise. Inb4 people will always have cure potions on them.

[Vile]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah its kind of an "on paper" assessment. The real bonus to the SK is being a large race, duh obvi right. Don't forget also the paladin gets both counteract poison and disease along with some lower end magic buff when it isn't available otherwise. Inb4 people will always have cure potions on them.

I'd like to think more of real word PvP to look at it properly.

The Paladin should never kill the SK. The SK can go FD into mobs, shadowstep, invis, etc....