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Old 11-08-2011, 03:47 PM
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Lots of people hating on Obsidian Shard.

Go try it:

Shards > Whip of Strangulation and
Shards >>>>>> something without a proc like Lamentation

At 37 get two SSoY.
lmao. i grouped quite frequently with a twinked warrior from 20-40 who used two lamentations, we never had aggro issues, and we smashed through mobs. i wonder why?
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Old 11-08-2011, 03:52 PM
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Lots of people hating on Obsidian Shard.

Go try it:

Shards > Whip of Strangulation and
Shards >>>>>> something without a proc like Lamentation

At 37 get two SSoY.
I know this is a Miata vs Corvette discussion on price alone, but a Poison Wind Censer will let you do about twice the damage.

The downfall is you won't see sparkles. Frankly I'd ditch the group and get some bandages.
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Old 11-08-2011, 03:52 PM
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lmao. i grouped quite frequently with a twinked warrior from 20-40 who used two lamentations, we never had aggro issues, and we smashed through mobs. i wonder why?
Because you were doing less damage that he was?

Agro proc weapons aren't for getting agro off people who are doing less damage than you, they are for people who are doing MORE damage.

If you are grouping with a very twinked rogue or monk, you won't be doing more damage than they will whether you have a Lamentation or Jade Mace or whatever twink warrior weapons.

Either you have agro proc weapons or you have a rogue tanking.
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Old 11-08-2011, 03:54 PM
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Because you were doing less damage that he was?
Just FYI: aggro isn't based off of damage alone. The speed of the double Lammy, and I assume he had a haste item as well, would help.

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Either you have agro proc weapons or you have a rogue tanking.
Unless the rogue is half aware of his class skills and uses evade on cool-down.
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Old 11-08-2011, 03:56 PM
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Yes, it's not damage alone, also taunt exists, etc.

The point is that if you are going to be serious about agro you need to have procs.
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Old 11-08-2011, 04:01 PM
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The point is that if you are going to be serious about agro you need to have procs.
Totally not true, and the shard is totally not the answer.
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Old 11-08-2011, 04:02 PM
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Because you were doing less damage that he was?
you want to find something out about aggro? don't ask a warrior. or a shadowknight or a paladin. ask one of the classes that has to deal with the effects of aggro. ask a healer, or ask a CC.

i main an enchanter, i don't "do damage." but you can bet that i know more about aggro than any other class on experience alone, except perhaps clerics.

i know what i saw. perhaps it was because they were more experienced and knew what they were doing. but without a doubt the warriors with high damage weapons were consistently holding aggro much better than the ones who were relying on procs. i've even had friends in my guild who were leveling up twinked warriors who had a pair of shards bagged because they thought they'd need them. their experience was the same. don't bother with the shards, they just slow down your rate of experience and their proc is not guaranteed by any means. often you have to wait 30 secs or more to get a proc.
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Old 11-08-2011, 04:22 PM
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something else that hasn't been brought up is that on average, kunark weapons are much better and deal much more damage than old world weapons. shards were great before kunark came out because old world weapons simply don't do very much damage. using a .7 dly:dam ratio weapon on a lvl 20 character was absolutely impossible in the old world but you can get one for about 1k here with kunark.
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Old 11-08-2011, 04:24 PM
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Price check lammy vs what I suggested.
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Old 11-08-2011, 04:26 PM
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Price check lammy vs what I suggested.
see the thread title and OP and quote me where we're talking about price.
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