Item recharging is an exploit of game mechanics

[skorge]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hoops really killed the immersion and difficulty of the game, whether or not they were 26 people armed with hoops or 126 people armed with hoops.

What the OP is saying is that they "changed" the hoop here in P99. This change was not classic...so why won't they completely fix all items that are rechargeable? It's a known exploit and needs to be addressed in some manner.

It would be a simple fix: make a list of all items rechargeable and put in an insane vendor price (99,999p).

Now that the P99 staff has fixed hoops they can readjust lifetaps to put them back on classic scale.

[Slave]

Originally Posted by skorge;457158

Now that the P99 staff has unclassically nerfed hoops...

fixed

[Nirgon]

Uh no, just fix vendor recharging touch nothing else imo.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Slave [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lol

But seriously, I hardly call getting 26 people together trivial. That is like 10% of the online population as it now stands.

You're ignoring the point of the thread and quoting me out of context to troll the post. 26 people to kill trak with hoops is zerg and is trivial. That's why it was changed.

Originally Posted by skorge [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What the OP is saying is that they "changed" the hoop here in P99. This change was not classic...so why won't they completely fix all items that are rechargeable? It's a known exploit and needs to be addressed in some manner.

It would be a simple fix: make a list of all items rechargeable and put in an insane vendor price (99,999p).

The problems with the hoop was game breaking. You (just like the OP) are missing critical reasons as to why the rest of the rechargeable items should be changed. Nothing else has been proven to be a fraction of the problem that hoops were, and as was stated twice before in this thread, nerfing lockets of escape would be highly not classic, especially in Velius.

Since item charging is clearly classic as quoted by the OP himself, the onus is on you to provide a reason why it should be removed. You haven't.

Originally Posted by skorge [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Now that the P99 staff has fixed hoops they can readjust lifetaps to put them back on classic scale.

Hoops are still available. Necro/hoop zerging was still expected to be an issue after nerfing the recharge which happened at the same time as the resist change. The resist change was meant to be implemented along with the recharge change, not as a separate fix to be changed later.

[Slave]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're ignoring the point of the thread and quoting me out of context to troll the post. 26 people to kill trak with hoops is zerg and is trivial. That's why it was changed.



The problems with the hoop was game breaking.

So then... what is not game breaking in your opinion? Having 1 or 2 guilds monopolize everything? And according to you, 10% of the server population is not enough to kill Trak without silly name-calling. So what is acceptable? 20% of the online population? 40%? Would 80% of all online people need to be in the same guild and killing Trakanon in order to fulfill your totally arbitrary sense of what is or is not game breaking?

The only thing this server was supposed to be predicated on is Classic game mechanics. Nerfing Hoops was not Classic, neither was destroying pet class aggro along with a host of other things. That's why we now have half the server population that we had 2 months ago.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Slave [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So then... what is not game breaking in your opinion? Having 1 or 2 guilds monopolize everything? And according to you, 10% of the server population is not enough to kill Trak without silly name-calling. So what is acceptable? 20% of the online population? 40%? Would 80% of all online people need to be in the same guild and killing Trakanon in order to fulfill your totally arbitrary sense of what is or is not game breaking?

You sound like someone who was butt-hurt by the change. Nobody in this thread has said anything about the availability of raiding Trakanon. The hoop was given as a single example of item recharging being broken, but that's fixed now.

Reading your other posts in server chat so far today, you seem to be in a trolling mood, and I get that, but there is a separate forum for that.

[skorge]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The problems with the hoop was game breaking. You (just like the OP) are missing critical reasons as to why the rest of the rechargeable items should be changed. Nothing else has been proven to be a fraction of the problem that hoops were, and as was stated twice before in this thread, nerfing lockets of escape would be highly not classic, especially in Velius.

Hoops are still available. Necro/hoop zerging was still expected to be an issue after nerfing the recharge which happened at the same time as the resist change. The resist change was meant to be implemented along with the recharge change, not as a separate fix to be changed later.

First of all, as far as the hoops issue goes...it still must be screwed up. Hoops were going for 6k on our server on average even during Kunark era, which means they must have been uber rare. Based on the 6k price range, it should take roughly 5k of rubies on average to score an Ivandrys Hoop - what guild would spend 5k x 30 people = 150k on Trak? This is kinda derailing the thread but the Hoop deal needs to be looked at again if its not taking about 5k or so on average to get one...this will open up them reverting lifetap resists back to classic.

Secondly, the staff should have never even made the change to start with since this is a classic server (maybe in regards to Lyguna dropping the hoop less often)...in this regard the OP is valid in wanting changes made to all rechargeable items because he thinks to himself "hey they made this change, so why dont they make this change too - it makes sense."

Sure other rechargeable items are not game breaking but the thing is, they went ahead and made other non-classic changes here, so why not stop there?

[Samoht]

I want to take the second to point out that this project is trying to remain as close to classic as possible. That includes certain items with known OPness (guise, manastone, fungus staff) to be available for a short amount of time before being taken out.

We're not here to argue about that. The intent is to be as close to classic as possible, and if people were flagrantly abusing the hoops on live as they were on P99, I'm sure it would have been addressed back then.

The hoop was 1 (ONE un une uno unus ena um uma eine eins), I'll repeat that, ONE example of an item that should not be rechargeable due to game-breaking mechanics, and that's been handled.

You. Need. More. Proof.

[Brinkman]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

From what I can tell, you've now realised I was correct but still refuse to concede it openly because you seem to either have some resentment towards me for being right or are too proud for being wrong yourself.

Based on your posts I realized I was in error for using the word "fact" one time, and the tone of my Op was off because of that. With that, I changed my OP dramatically.

Doing all of that should have shown quite obviously that I was OPENLY conceding to the idea that I cannot prove VI didnt intend for vendor recharging to be in game.

Seriously , come one. This is part of my edited OP

"There is no proof that can be gathered at this time that completely proves VI was against item recharging "

Would you like me to start a new post saying Samoht was right, its an opinion!!

What I wont let go of is my opinion.

This thread is allowed in Server chat because its not considered a bug atm. Its quite obvious that the devs on p99 felt item recharging needed to be in game... as using the titanium client as a base, they had to unbreak item recharging. What I am doing is saying I think it needs to be looked at again.


How about instead of trolling my thread, and trying to get it moved you answer one simple question.

What is your opinion on how Vendor recharging works, do you think that the way its done was implimented by VI and intended to work that way? I.E needing two of the same item, having to sell items in a certain order and so on. Do you THINK it was intended?

[Brinkman]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You. Need. More. Proof.

I dont need proof about an opinion, its been fixed, get over it and stop trolling.