almost 80 people in fear

[karsten]

Originally Posted by guineapig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If by people, you are referring to yourself, don't worry about it. You don't count.

more funnies right here too

[Kraal]

I must've dreamed a thousand dreams
Been haunted by a million screams
But I can hear the marching feet
They're moving into the street

Now did you read the news today
They say the danger's gone away
But I can see the fire's still alight
There burning into the night

There's too many guilds, too many people
Making too many problems
And not much love to go round
Can't you see this is a land of confusion?

Well this is the world we live in
And these are the hands we're given
Use them and let's start trying
To make it a place worth living in

Ooh, Abacab where are you now
When everything's gone wrong somehow?
The men of steel, the men of power
Are losing control by the hour

This is the time, this is the place
So we look for the future
But there's not much love to go round
Tell me why, this is a land of confusion

This is the world we live in
And these are the hands we're given
Use them and let's start trying
To make it a place worth living in

I remember long ago when the sun was shining
Yes, and the stars were bright all through the night
And the sound of your laughter as I held you tight, so long ago

I won't be coming home tonight
My generation will put it right
We're not just making promises
That we know, we'll never keep

Too many guilds, there's too many people
Making too many problems
And not much love to go round
Can't you see, this is a land of confusion?

Now this is the world we live in
And these are the hands we're given
Use them and let's start trying
To make it a place worth fighting for
This is the world we live in

This is the world we live in
And these are the names we're given
Stand up and let's start showing
Just where our lives are going to

[Hasbinbad]

So is the rule "first with 15 in zone" or "first with 15 at the raid target" ?

[Trimm]

Originally Posted by karsten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

rogean said (paraphrasing) "the correct thing to do when mobs spawn when you don't think they're supposed to is to contact me but since i'm so nice i'm going to let it slide this time" and instead of two totems we got bcg and bone razor~

So IB tried to killsteal and rather than punishment they got rewarded with better loot. woots.

Serious answer: I think last night was a pretty good example of the need for defining Draco's engagement rules for everyone. I'm going to leave Trans out of this because I honestly don't know where they staged or if they were involved in the draco zerg at all, but correct me if I'm wrong.

To me, It looked like 3 guilds (IB, Fish Bait, Divinity) all believed that they had the chance/right to engage. Fish Bait was in the zone as he spawned, but was at the north wall and not in draco's area. IB zoned in after FB, and had 15 (I think) but was at west wall and pulled TT's first. Divinity zoned in after IB and had 15 and moved closest to draco's area.

Who in the above gains rights to a first attempt on dracolich? I think all 3 guilds had roughly equal forces and were capable of killing him given the chance. The first in zone, the first to pull TTs or the first to move to a draco prep area? Hopefully the upcoming guild meeting can clarify things.

[eqholmes]

As for what happend last night. Fish bait has 16 in zone, I'm still running there but while Im in Feerrot, I /who and see 23 people in zone, divinity and IB starting to port in, its split between the 2 guilds for so 12ish each. I zone in to fear, Fish bait has now 21 in the zone and a few people tagging along. We start pulling from Nwall so we start pulling mobs towards draco. 10min later a few IB in zone, oddly enough here comes a train of 8 army wars and like 4 tt and i think maybe 2 FF. We have about 7 people live, start rezzing and buffing again so we can pull draco, during this down what are the odds that IB zones the whole crew in after that train...... ODD to say the least.

[Rogean]

Originally Posted by Trimm [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

with better loot. woots.

According to their word. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[karsten]

don't question me rogean, i'm famous on the internet

[Trimm]

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

According to their word. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Shhh, don't ruin it [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Pikle]

I will throw in my two cents because Asteroid (my roommate) and I were there. We had both logged on and were going to check fear/hate to see what GC would do. As Asteroid came up to fear he saw IB right beside the portal getting ready to go in. We talk about it and he decides to wait to zone in. I was in Hate checking spawns and came straight back to feerrott. By the time I got to fear, asteroid had zoned in, did a /who and said that IB wasn't in there... But we had just seen them zone in. So we are thinking maybe they did a quick port to hate because something popped. Come to find out they had to gate out because of over agro right when they zoned in. Divinity was still setting up outside even when I arrived the first time. The time it took IB to set up and zone in while Asteroid was there couldn't of been more than 3 minutes and then another minute later Asteroid zones in and at a quick glimpse no one from IB was still there. (Although I'm sure they had someone or a few FD somewhere)

Asteroid sat at the zone in FD for a while watching and looking at what was going on. Apparently FB had overpulled and a lot of them died. By the time I zoned in to port him out there were 60+ in the zone and IB was already setting back up to go. Divinity was coming in and FB looked like they had pretty much finished CRing. I'm not exactly sure who had rights. But I do know that I personally saw IB zone into fear through my roommates screen and I don't know how FB thinks IB trained them from the zone in. To get through the zone with mobs and even get close to training FB they would of had to get through a lot of shit. There is no way in that amount of time could they have done it. My guess is since FB said they were bringing in more people as they collected to get ready for draco, one of their own people trained them with mobs. My only regret now was not telling asteroid to take screenshots of every /who he did just to see who had showed up and when they did.

When I zoned into feerrott the first time to head to fear ( I came back a few times to watch the action after I made some popcorn) there were 47 people in feerrott between IB/Div mostly. And FB pretty much had a wipe about the same time IB was zoning in.

GC obviously headed into hate to stay away from all that, so I'm not sure of everything that went on, but wanted to give our side of the story from an unrelated and unbiased group. I'm not sure if it was just a big clusterf*ck or what, but it seemed like whoever gets in the best position to pull draco first with 15 has it. FB has admitted a lot of them died which once you go under 15 members I think right now according the rules you don't have the mob. So it starts all over again... Of course it takes less than 15 to do draco so we can argue about that all day. Oh well, seems like this stuff is happening a lot lately, between the faction wars that killed bosses or people just leapfrogging to get bosses hopefully we can settle some things soon between the top guilds or it's going to get real dirty...

[Salty]

FB looked like they had pretty much finished CRing.

I'm going to touch base on this as numerous people love to state it.

Fish Bait was rezzed, dragged, wiped, rezzed again, and cleared all the mobs from the corner west of the north wall (where all the spiders were), to the left of the FF house (where draco eventually died), and remaining mobs around the direct point in which Barfight and I were pulling Draco.

Every single guild in Fear got outplayed by Fish Bait. The only guild who came close to beating us to Draco was Divinity, and I literally pulled him off Barfight when Draco feared and killed him.

So anyone stating that Fish Bait was dicking around at north wall is not only un-informed but absolutely incorrect.