Netanyahu Raises Political Will for Iran Invasion. Zionist Press:"Iran Rattles Saber"

[Harrison]

Moreover, nukes don't come with a return address. Iran hands a nuke to Hezbollah and washes its hands of responsibility.

You don't know how this works do you? lol

[Zugbug]

Originally Posted by Kabilos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh Christ that hurt.. no more drinking while reading RnF.. fucking coke EVERYWHERE

lol

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by purest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1. There is no evidence of an Iranian nuclear weapons program aiming to produce a bomb. [citation] [citation] [citation]

2. Iran has a civilian nuclear enrichment program. This is permitted by the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Iran allows United Nations inspections of it nuclear facilities. You could say Iran is not as transparent as the IAEA would like, but there is no dispositive evidence of a weapons program. [citation]

3. The International Atomic Energy Agency has repeatedly certified that no nuclear material is being diverted to military purposes from Iran’s civilian nuclear enrichment facilities.[citation]

4. The US intelligence establishment doubts that Iran has or wants a nuclear weapons program. [citation]

5. Israeli military intelligence has said Iran has no present nuclear weapons program. [citation]

6. On the other hand, Israel actually has developed between 75-400 nuclear weapons and has refused to sign the NPT despite international pressure to do so, in other words they are in the same boat as North Korea. [citation]

7. Israel's nuclear arsenal, the only stock of nuclear warheads in the Middle East, is what drives other countries to attempt to proliferate. [citation]

tldr: Iran scaremongering is demonstratably 100% bullshit.

LOL. Google has failed you; your information is up to 2.5 years old. Let's try again.

Claim: There is no evidence of an Iranian nuclear weapons program aiming to produce a bomb.
Validity: False.
Fact: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/25/wo...pagewanted=all
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-evidence.html

Claim: Iran has a civilian nuclear enrichment program. This is permitted by the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Iran allows United Nations inspections of it nuclear facilities. You could say Iran is not as transparent as the IAEA would like, but there is no dispositive evidence of a weapons program.
Validity: False. This is a restatement of the previous point, which was also false.

Claim: The International Atomic Energy Agency has repeatedly certified that no nuclear material is being diverted to military purposes from Iran’s civilian nuclear enrichment facilities.
Validity: True, but they have qualified that statement by noting that the enrichment itself could be used toward military purposes in the future. There's also a parsing of words with regards to "military purposes". The IAEA and US intelligence officials both agree that Iran has moved substantial nuclear material to "a heavily defended underground military facility".
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/02/wo...gewanted=print
http://www.isis-online.org/uploads/i...r2009pdf_1.pdf

I could go on, but it's not worth it. You obviously pick and choose the information that you want to accept, and you intentionally misrepresent the information that you do come across. The fact that the IAEA has said no nuclear material has been used toward military purposes is completely irrelevant at the moment. The only role the military would play would be to further enrich -- something they can do just as well as a "civilian enterprise", granted that the facilities are heavily-guarded, aerially impervious military bunkers. They've already enriched uranium to 20%, which is nearly weapons grade, and they've admitted that they enriched far more than they need for their stated purpose (medical isotopes). But yeah: non-military.

PS: Demonstratably is not a word.

[deakolt]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And who gives a fuck what the Arab-speaking world thinks of us? Planning a trip to Jordan anytime soon? Our popularity there means dick and a half. What matters is military and economic power, and we've got the high ground by a mile in both regards. Let them get a nuke and shit changes real fast.

you're a real shitbag and i'm gonna stop arguing with you. bet you're already in politics huh

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by Harrison [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You don't know how this works do you? lol

No, I don't think you do. Your point is surely 'lulz they'd know where the uranium came from'. Yeah, they would. So? If Iran hands a nuke off to Hezbollah, who uses it a year later on, say, New York City, what's the recourse? You going to invade Lebanon and go after Hezbollah? Nuke Iran as retaliation for proliferating to irresponsible actors? You're not doing shit. There's nothing you can do. It's the reason the nuclear proliferation game is so highly controlled in international politics. Once someone has a nuke, to a certain extent, you're at their mercy.

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by deakolt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you're a real shitbag and i'm gonna stop arguing with you. bet you're already in politics huh

Oh, I'm sorry. Did I offend your sensibilities? Don't bother getting angry at me -- you're shooting the messenger. The fact is that the mission of the United States government, as it is understood by them, is to maximize the power and welfare of the United States and its citizens and, if possible, its allies. There is also a vague notion of duty to improving international conditions, but that's at the bottom of the priority list. Whether I agree with that or not is immaterial, it's the way shit works.

The opinion the average person in the Arab world has of America is unimportant to those goals.

[Daldolma]

Oh, and for what it's worth, Iran isn't a part of "the Arab-speaking world". Iran is Persian and they have a tenuous relationship with the Arab world. Terrorist groups have strong ties to them, but the government of Saudi Arabia, for instance, counts Iran as an enemy -- not a friend.

[Pico]

i feel ya i dont trust browns either

[Daldolma]

Pakistanis and Indians are brown; they've already got nukes.

[jarshale]

Fuckin brown people are scum. Kill em all and let God sort them out.