WTB Ban for trainer - Page 4

Amuk · #1 10-04-2011, 01:23 PM

I think everyone knew envious was a tool before this thread, let it die noone cares.

Softcore PK · #2 10-04-2011, 06:05 PM

I think intent is what should matter.

Softcore PK · #3 10-04-2011, 06:10 PM

Actually, this is an exploit. Kind of worse than a regular train, considering he caused several pve exp deaths at no risk to himself.

pickled_heretic · #4 10-04-2011, 06:33 PM

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considering he caused several pve exp deaths at no risk to himself.

and what if i mez a group's healer in the middle of a pull? i have no intention to actually kill anyone myself, just "cause several pve exp deaths at no risk to myself." well?

Tombom · #5 10-04-2011, 06:14 PM

Tell me sir PK how will the gm staff regulate player intent in any sort of fair and balanced way?

DUMB

juicedsixfo · #6 10-04-2011, 06:15 PM

Invis yourself next time

juicedsixfo · #7 10-04-2011, 06:22 PM

And *just a feeling* but I'm pretty sure the idea behind the no training rule (and probably the only time you'll see it enforced) is to stop more higher end blatant training à la 30 of one guild in Fear and 1 guy of another guild zones in and wipes them. That's the stuff you can prove. "I was just there exploring" won't work.

If you think they're going to respond to 200 petitions from Unrest every day you're sadly mistaken. That shits just part of the game.

But, if this thread leads to anything, it should be that you shouldn't be able to taunt/attack people's pets that are outside your range. And to keep invis memmed.

Softcore PK · #8 10-04-2011, 06:58 PM

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Tell me sir PK how will the gm staff regulate player intent in any sort of fair and balanced way?

DUMB

This is very true (not the DUMB part lol), I guess I should have been more clear. Intent should be a deciding factor, but not the only deciding factor. Unintentional trains should of course be punished the same as any intentional train.. within reason. What I was really trying to say was that the mechanics of the train should not matter. The end result of the train is the same whether it was an exploit like this, or a monk FD.

Often times it is obvious when a train is intentional. We all know this. And in those cases, intent really should come into account when deciding on a punishment.

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And *just a feeling* but I'm pretty sure the idea behind the no training rule (and probably the only time you'll see it enforced) is to stop more higher end blatant training à la 30 of one guild in Fear and 1 guy of another guild zones in and wipes them. That's the stuff you can prove. "I was just there exploring" won't work.

If you think they're going to respond to 200 petitions from Unrest every day you're sadly mistaken. That shits just part of the game.

But, if this thread leads to anything, it should be that you shouldn't be able to taunt/attack people's pets that are outside your range. And to keep invis memmed.

The rules concerning training on live probably did come about more because of higher level trains than anything else. And of course they were enforced more in those areas. But that is not to say that all queries about training made by anyone lower than 50 are completely ignored. Try to be reasonable here; I am in no way trying to compare this to the everyday trains we see in CB, Unrest or Upper Guk. This is a different matter entirely, and it is a different matter because it was obviously not an accident. It's a known exploit, and a player admitted to doing it. This does not mean that the player should be punished right away, that's not how these things work. An isolated incident such as this with no real hard evidence (fraps or GM watching) is never cause for suspension. But I'm sure by doing this, and admitting to it, this player has caught some unwanted GM attention. They will be less likely to do it in the future (hopefully) because of this. And this is a good thing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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and what if i mez a group's healer in the middle of a pull? i have no intention to actually kill anyone myself, just "cause several pve exp deaths at no risk to myself." well?

By engaging a group in pvp, you are putting yourself at risk. They can fight back, you know..

Billbike · #9 10-04-2011, 07:02 PM

GM witness or fraps, or it didn't happen.

pickled_heretic · #10 10-04-2011, 07:15 PM

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Unintentional trains should of course be punished the same as any intentional train.. within reason.

holy shit are you serious? what is "within reason?"

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By engaging a group in pvp, you are putting yourself at risk. They can fight back, you know..

how is taunting a pet not "engaging a group?"