Merchants: Jar of acid

[President]

Originally Posted by PearlJammzz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thus it stands it WAS in game by a few months into Kunark according to the data we have found. Anyone have anymore information?

No one here is denying the fact that the evidence shows it came in post Kunark except for Webwolf who claims it should already be in the game. I don't know why you are arguing with me Pearl I have not said anything else other than if you think it should be in the game NOW then you need to find evidence of that.

[guineapig]

I'm not going to take sides here but I will quote this:

"The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence."

So while nobody has been able to firmly prove yet that the dyes are pre-Kunark, nobody has been able to prove that they are post Kunark either. Continue...

/em grabs some popcorn

[Omnimorph]

In my experience i never saw them in classic, hell i never saw fine plate in classic either.

What i do remember is seeing a bunch of interestingly coloured warriors running around with wurmslayers... so i'd say kunark was when it was introduced.

Was fine plate in classic? i didn't pay as much attention to tradeskills and recipes and what not in classic so i don't know. I don't remember people selling it or taking orders for it though, just banded...

[President]

Originally Posted by guineapig [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not going to take sides here but I will quote this:

"The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence."

So while nobody has been able to firmly prove yet that the dyes are pre-Kunark, nobody has been able to prove that they are post Kunark either. Continue...

/em grabs some popcorn

Unfortunately Verant didn't put in patch notes what isn't in the game yet, but what was added/changed. So it's extremely hard to prove something like this wasn't in the game in comparison to proving when it was.


Although your quote is meaningful in the religious sense, it is not meaningful to dev's who are trying to get this game as close to classic as possible. Just like every other post of every other item/quest/change, they want who/what/when/where/why/how dated proof before making those changes.

[President]

Omni, It was discussed that fine plate wasn't classic, though I am not sure when it was added in, and unsure of the reasoning for leaving it in(here). I assume it was left in because nobody was going to complain about not having to wear bronze into your 40's.

[PearlJammzz]

heresay is heresay. Just because someone doesn't remember it doesn't mean it wasn't there. Still all I can find is references from Kunark era...but VERY early Kunark. Here is a May 11th 2000 screen shot from Alla:

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This wasn't a feature touted with Kunark so I imagine it came sometime between right before Kunark to right after Kunark. Again any better info is mucho appreciated. Sucks we can't find a specific post saying when it was added, but evidence now shows up at early as May 2000.

I am just trying to get the point across that it was at the very least during early, early Kunark. Being only old-world stuff I really do think it was probably added late in vanilla, right before Kunark. Again though no concrete evidence supports that this was in game prior to May 2000.

[Webwolf]

Really? Trolling? All I have done is tell you what the GM's require when making a change to the game. By continuing to IGNORE that and DEMANDING TO TALK TO THE LEADER you are the one being no better than a troll.

Read my posts and you will see that I am trying to make a constructive argument about a legitimate concern of many. You keep posting about something that clearly you have no clue about in an attempt of turning this thread into a flame. If that isn't that's trolling tell me what is.

And I am not demanding anything. I simply would like to hear Nilbog's opinion on this since he is the one in charge of trade skills and vendors and I don't understand his avoidance of threads regarding fine plate dyes.

[President]

Originally Posted by Webwolf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Read my posts and you will see that I am trying to make a constructive argument about a legitimate concern of many. You keep posting about something that clearly you have no clue about in an attempt of turning this thread into a flame. If that isn't that's trolling tell me what is.

And I am not demanding anything. I simply would like to hear Nilbog's opinion on this since he is the one in charge of trade skills and vendors and I don't understand his avoidance of threads regarding fine plate dyes.

At no point have I ever tried to turn this thread into a flame. I have read every single one of your posts and at no point have you provided a shroud of evidence that dyes should CURRENTLY be in the game.

Yes, maybe it's time for a GM to come tell you to find evidence before they will incorporate it into the game since you are obviously too hard headed to read and understand constructive posts.

[Daydrem]

Dyes... not classic. that is all.

[Humerox]

Dyes were definitely post-Kunark release.

I didn't start playing until a week before the Kunark patch, and had been playing for a while before dyed armor was brought in.

Exactly when I don't know, but there is no question in my mind that dyes came after Kunark was released.