Are you going to quit because of cheaters?

[Harrison]

Originally Posted by xshayla701 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Idk... if they had clued people in and told everyone what they were implementing, I feel like the smart cheaters would have stopped ackin and the dumb ones would have still gotten caught.

Kinda creeps me out that they didn't tell us what was in the updates and that so many of us (including me) blindly downloaded otherwise harmful files. But what the fuck do I know

The smart ones would have went around it. (or waited for someone to show them how, more likely)

[Skope]

Originally Posted by Barkingturtle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Agreed.

I'm taking a break, at least. The revelation that so many of you are cheaters and that Uthgaard was evidently not allowed to punish said cheaters as thoroughly as he'd have liked is really disturbing to me. We've watched for months as Uth meted justice with what seemed like total authority, but it sure looks like he was overruled this time, and that just smells bad to me. Smells like corruption and I'm not going to support a project I don't trust.

yet again i have to agree with barkingturtle, even though his post is uncharacteristically void of grotesque sexual imagery.

[Feachie]

Originally Posted by Tiggle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

they hacked into our systems illegally so they could suspend some people on a video game temporarily wuts wrong with that bro

they used a method which can be used for more than they were using it for. there are safer ways, and i think that's why things are being changed.

[Skope]

ah, sorry. the answer is yes. i'm quitting because the GMs here, nilb0g and rogean, are what i was accusing uthgaard of in hopes of actually getting shit changed: pussies.

from div forums:

i enjoy the game too and i enjoy the folks in div, but that's not the issue. problem here is that i don't enjoy this server. if they can't even promote a level playing field after they catch cheaters red-handed then why should i bother? hell, why should anyone else bother? they just lost the 1 GM/dev that put in an amount of work that could only be matched by nilb0rg. we've never been TR or TMO, IB or DA, Trans or Fish Bait, but we knew in the end they would get theirs and the people that were the douchebags, cheaters, trainers and boxers would ultimately get caught while we'd still be around doing things the div way. It's not true. We were just kicked in the nuts

So long, and thanks for all the fish.

[G13]

Originally Posted by Taryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nope, you're an idiot for not trusting a stranger over the Internet.

Anyone who defends the stealth inclusion of those files is a serious asskisser, or an absolute moron. Why don't you go ahead and let your government install cameras in your house . . .I mean, if you're not breaking any laws, it doesn't matter, right? Hell, let some random person you don't know do the same thing, it's all good brah!


I quit; gave my gear to random newbs. If the server management is stupid enough to make this kind of move, and then NOT DELIVER after taking all that risk and violating so many peoples' trust, then I'd rather not play here. Especially after seeing the only dev with balls storm off because there wasn't a fair punishment.

This is a good point

Why go through all the trouble to "Find the cheaters and crack down on them" and then when you see the results, you don't take appropriate action? An officer of a guild was caught cheating. The guild should be disbanded immediately if there is really a no tolerance policy. The officer in question IP banned. Case closed.

DA was suspended from raiding for weeks (TWICE) because of the actions of one of their members on a raid. Tubban was using ShowEQ and happened to be sitting with his guild at the time it was discovered. He wasn't tracking. He wasn't doing anything but sitting idle, but apparently had ShowEQ running. This was enough to suspend DA from raiding for weeks.

Rogean where's the raid ban for TR here? An OFFICER of a raid guild was caught using hacks. Where is the raid ban? Not even a raid suspension? Seriously? Nothing? Why? The community deserves an explanation to what is obviously a double standard.

To me, it sounds like they didn't like what they found because it pointed the finger directly at their pals. In all honesty i'm pissed off they didn't announce this "cheat sniffer" when they implemented it. If the goal was to stop cheating, there could have been many ways to go about it. Inform the server population of what you are doing. Use the process as a deterrent without actually implementing it. Inform the community prior to implementation so the community can decide whether they would continue to play here, without having to have this file installed on their computers. Take polls. Respect the community. I understand this is their sandbox, but when you put a file on my computer to monitor my actions, you're now playing in MY sandbox.

I see a lot of people who are defending their pals saying "If you don't like it, don't play here." A lot of us have played here for almost 2 years. We've put a lot of time and effort into our characters. It takes months to level, and a lot of time and effort to raid. It's an economic principle called the "tradeoff". We are investing our time, which is money. To show our gratitude, we do what the devs have asked of us to do. Click their ads and help them generate revenue.

I've had my run ins with Uthgaard but if there is one thing I can say is he has integrity. Though abrasive at times, he's always been fair. He was looking out for the casual player on P99, not the hardcore raider. He didn't play favorites. His concern was the overall health of the server and i respect that. Him leaving is a huge loss.

[Harrison]

DA was suspended from raiding for weeks (TWICE) because of the actions of one of their members on a raid.

And then died the repercussions of wrongdoing from that day forth. I think that was the last time anything was done against a shitbag guild, too.

[Skope]

Originally Posted by Harrison [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And then died the repercussions of wrongdoing from that day forth. I think that was the last time anything was done against a shitbag guild, too.

it's been that way a while. they've also selectively done this with the rules as well and actually manufactured a server where cheating was beneficial to the players, and mostly raiders, since last year. whether there's a wipe or they ban them permanently or even start giving out pre-nerf fungi staffs in EC i don't see myself coming back.

[Zereh]

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is a good point

Why go through all the trouble to "Find the cheaters and crack down on them" and then when you see the results, you don't take appropriate action? An officer of a guild was caught cheating. The guild should be disbanded immediately if there is really a no tolerance policy. The officer in question IP banned. Case closed.

DA was suspended from raiding for weeks (TWICE) because of the actions of one of their members on a raid. Tubban was using ShowEQ and happened to be sitting with his guild at the time it was discovered. He wasn't tracking. He wasn't doing anything but sitting idle, but apparently had ShowEQ running. This was enough to suspend DA from raiding for weeks.

Rogean where's the raid ban for TR here? An OFFICER of a raid guild was caught using hacks. Where is the raid ban? Not even a raid suspension? Seriously? Nothing? Why? The community deserves an explanation to what is obviously a double standard.

To me, it sounds like they didn't like what they found because it pointed the finger directly at their pals. In all honesty i'm pissed off they didn't announce this "cheat sniffer" when they implemented it. If the goal was to stop cheating, there could have been many ways to go about it. Inform the server population of what you are doing. Use the process as a deterrent without actually implementing it. Inform the community prior to implementation so the community can decide whether they would continue to play here, without having to have this file installed on their computers. Take polls. Respect the community. I understand this is their sandbox, but when you put a file on my computer to monitor my actions, you're now playing in MY sandbox.

I see a lot of people who are defending their pals saying "If you don't like it, don't play here." A lot of us have played here for almost 2 years. We've put a lot of time and effort into our characters. It takes months to level, and a lot of time and effort to raid. It's an economic principle called the "tradeoff". We are investing our time, which is money. To show our gratitude, we do what the devs have asked of us to do. Click their ads and help them generate revenue.

I've had my run ins with Uthgaard but if there is one thing I can say is he has integrity. Though abrasive at times, he's always been fair. He was looking out for the casual player on P99, not the hardcore raider. He didn't play favorites. His concern was the overall health of the server and i respect that. Him leaving is a huge loss.

^^ Could not have been said any better.

The server's integrity has always been questionable, at best. A loud and clear statement has been made about how things really work around here and it doesn't bode well for those not in the golden circle. There really isn't any room for doubt now. But I also subscribe to theory that its better to fight the devil you do know than the one you don't!


I'm sorry you were cornered into making the decision to leave, Uthgaard. You will most certainly be missed. <3

[mimixownzall]

I'm waitin on Red99

[SUSUGAM]

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is a good point

Why go through all the trouble to "Find the cheaters and crack down on them" and then when you see the results, you don't take appropriate action? An officer of a guild was caught cheating. The guild should be disbanded immediately if there is really a no tolerance policy. The officer in question IP banned. Case closed.

DA was suspended from raiding for weeks (TWICE) because of the actions of one of their members on a raid. Tubban was using ShowEQ and happened to be sitting with his guild at the time it was discovered. He wasn't tracking. He wasn't doing anything but sitting idle, but apparently had ShowEQ running. This was enough to suspend DA from raiding for weeks.

Rogean where's the raid ban for TR here? An OFFICER of a raid guild was caught using hacks. Where is the raid ban? Not even a raid suspension? Seriously? Nothing? Why? The community deserves an explanation to what is obviously a double standard.

To me, it sounds like they didn't like what they found because it pointed the finger directly at their pals. In all honesty i'm pissed off they didn't announce this "cheat sniffer" when they implemented it. If the goal was to stop cheating, there could have been many ways to go about it. Inform the server population of what you are doing. Use the process as a deterrent without actually implementing it. Inform the community prior to implementation so the community can decide whether they would continue to play here, without having to have this file installed on their computers. Take polls. Respect the community. I understand this is their sandbox, but when you put a file on my computer to monitor my actions, you're now playing in MY sandbox.

I see a lot of people who are defending their pals saying "If you don't like it, don't play here." A lot of us have played here for almost 2 years. We've put a lot of time and effort into our characters. It takes months to level, and a lot of time and effort to raid. It's an economic principle called the "tradeoff". We are investing our time, which is money. To show our gratitude, we do what the devs have asked of us to do. Click their ads and help them generate revenue.

I've had my run ins with Uthgaard but if there is one thing I can say is he has integrity. Though abrasive at times, he's always been fair. He was looking out for the casual player on P99, not the hardcore raider. He didn't play favorites. His concern was the overall health of the server and i respect that. Him leaving is a huge loss.

Although I agree with the idea of protecting privacy and that things should have been a little more out in the open, your idea of 'tradeoff' is pretty dumb here. There it no intrinsic value to your character, besides maybe sentimental... (hurry and take a screenshot of your character for safe keeping). You traded nothing. You spent time. Time spent on a meaningless videogame is not money. This was time that was supposed to be aimed at fun. Your character is not owed to you. Time and effort to level? Time and effort to raid? lol. Sounds like you're referring to EQ as a chore to me. Oh wait...

The fact that people cling in such a way to pixels is exactly why games like this can be so unhealthy for people. This isn't a sign of fun, or even a rewarding experience. It's not until you quit that you can even consider any of these things as a reality, though. =/

That said, BURN IT TO THE GROUND