Did anyone else..

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Mardur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Good players earn good reputations and can essentially get groups wherever they want regardless of their guild, because they'll be wanted.

I grouped at crypt, emp, juggs, reets, spore king, etc all within the first month of Kunark as a guildless PuG.

As a guildless PuG warrior*

Fixed. Try again as a guildless PuG Ranger or Wizard or Druid.

[Tarathiel]

Boxing isn't classic... Ranger hate is... You should know this by now... Have you ever used the search fuction? If did you would find at least 20 other threads that all end the same way get over it or gtfo... Anyone have that dead horse meme lying around? Do me a favor and post it so this thread can end

[Oncedark]

Just keep saying NO to boxing. How anyone could use the recent suspensions as a segue to "Let's allow boxing now!" is beyond my small brain.

[Blancah]

Originally Posted by Dirtnap [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Think after reading about the suspensions that they should perma-ban all the accounts, so the population would decrease, so they would start allowing 2 boxing?

No.

Originally Posted by Dirtnap [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am surprised at all the hate. Maybe if some of you guys stopped hating on rangers so much, i might not be wishing for boxing allowed on this server.

If you really are having that hard of a time getting groups. Don't just sit there and LFG waiting for someone to pick you up. Be proactive and make groups. I've sat longer on my cleric LFG than I have on my ranger many times over.

[Mriswithe]

Looks like I am going to get myself tagged as a sympathizer to the evil communist Pro Boxers....

I honestly was disappointed when I found out that you are not allowed to 2box on this server. 90% of my play time is at work where my real attention is not on the game, it is on my work with a side of P99. This means that if I were to group with people then I would be a selfish prick as I am not devoting myself to being a useful group member when playing. Whereas if I were to 2box and slack off, killing stuff when I have the time it is the same thing as if I were soloing. On live I enjoyed 2boxing a necro and shaman, and I was looking to replicate that feeling when I first joined. Now I realize that it is forbidden here so I don't do it.

I really don't agree with the idea that it will destroy the server community if 2boxing is allowed. I spend almost all of my time solo, but I still love interacting with the people here. Everyone is nice and helpful that I have met. You know what though? I haven't grouped with almost any of them. I interact with them in tells, ooc, /say, but I rarely group with people. Does that mean that I am not getting anything out of the community here? Does that mean that the community isn't better for having me who is also helpful? Does the fact that I don't group with people make it any less appreciated when I give someone invis to undead for a CR in kurns? Or just go and get the corpse myself? No, it doesn't. In the end it doesn't matter how I got to my level as to whether or not people appreciate my helpful manner and good nature on this server.

Now, I haven't posted on the server forums before but I have lurked them quite a bit. Having read a few threads similar to this I would like to address the following arguments:

"Well this is the way it is, so get over it."

Have you ever said "I wish it wasn't so darn hot/cold out today?" That is what this post is. I understand this will most likely change nothing, but I am expressing my opinion.

"If you can't get a group then you aren't trying hard enough."

This is valid if my intention were to group with other people. I agree that instead of sitting LFG for hours you should make a group. There are almost always people around that just need someone to make the group. However what about people that will only be on for 30 minutes at a time? What about people who won't be able to give the game their full attention?

"It doubles the load on the server from one person per making it more expensive for the people hosting it"

This is a valid concern, which I think is actually countered nicely by menadwen who suggested a monthly fee of $5. As for the argument that it wouldn't run the server for very long, your $15 a month live subscription also didn't run the entire server for very much time, but when you have a large base of people ALL contributing $5/month it would definitely help defray the costs of hosting for the server.

These are the arguments that come to mind from this thread that I felt the need to address. As I said though I know this is very unlikely to change the admin's minds. I just feel like the discussion is cheapened by people who just scream that boxing is terrible for the server because it is and give no real arguments.

Mriswithe

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by Mriswithe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Stuff.

Very nice post, and it articulates your opinion very well. I mean that in all seriousness. The only problem is, it's all been said before, hundreds and hundreds of times. That's not an exaggeration.

INCLUDING the possibility of donating for it. That's been addressed in multiple posts, by the devs.

The threads about this pop up every couple of months or so, people yell at each other about it, and I'm not going to bring up any salient points because it's all moot.

Suffice to say:

It's. Not. Happening.

Peace.

[Mriswithe]

Originally Posted by Humerox [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Other stuff

Thank you for not trying to trash me and call me commie whiny scum. I realize it isn't going to happen,, I just felt the need to make it clear that the main reason for this not being done is NOT necessarily that two-boxing is inherently bad or because it will load the server etc. The reason is that the admin do not want it, which is PERFECTLY FINE. This is their server, their world, their time. If they do not want it that is completely their choice. I have zero problem with this being their choice.

What I do have a problem with is people insulting others or calling it "cheating" or knee jerk reactions of "OMG it ruined live servers." I think it was a lot more than two-boxing that ruined live servers.

Anyway, back to your regularly scheduled hate thread [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Mriswithe

[Amelinda]

ell oh ell. no boxing imo.

[Dirtnap]

I want to be clear that this was never a thread to ask/beg for boxing to be allowed. It was just to talk to other people who might have shared my thoughts.

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by Mriswithe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just feel like the discussion is cheapened by people who just scream that boxing is terrible for the server because it is and give no real arguments.

Mriswithe

That's because those arguments have been given eleventy billion times. There are literally hundreds of posts about on these forums. Ultimately the rough consensus of those people with plenty of emu/boxing experience is that any server that allows boxing causes a depreciation of the currency of unique players because tons of people would begin to box who would be grouping instead, which leads to more boxing because people can't find groups as easily.

It does affect the grouping scene negatively - period. Debate over magnitude if you want, but it does. When something is self-evident, no amount of reason or argument could possibly convince someone who isn't willing to be convinced.