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Old 08-28-2011, 11:52 PM
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I disagree, they are being punished enough.

I mean I wasn't even insulted that people were cheating, it didn't affect me, and it wasn't like they were turning on godmode and soloing raid mobs.

I think the punishment they are getting is perfectly reasonable, especially since it is a warning to future violators who WILL be banned.
lol future violators will be banned?


previous violators were banned.

They are getting off easier than every person who was previously banned for using the programs. These people caught now were probably using when others got banned for it before. they got caught at a later date, and thus are getting off with practically nothing done to them.
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Old 08-28-2011, 11:41 PM
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agree
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Old 08-28-2011, 11:52 PM
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yea i agree with wiping items, the post above mine sounds like he's one of the cheaters that got away with it
Actually he just sounds like someone who is using logic instead of emotion. It's totally understandable to be mad at those who cheated and want your internet justice, but what he said is for the most part true. Do you honestly think someone that has Fungi tunics got them by clicking on a "fungi tunic" macro and they just appeared in his backpack?

His other statement was spot on too. If most of TR is online and not suspended, then what does that say about the cheaters? If it's that simple to cheat in the game and gain this huge advantage, then why aren't the cheaters the ones with the raid mobs on lockdown?

*crickets*

It is a legitimate question. Perhaps because the cheating wasn't as game breaking as you want to believe and the plat being removed wasn't due to gaining it "illegally", but simply part of the punishment for getting caught?

On one hand people are applauding Rogean for catching the hackers, while on the other they're QQ about how he isn't being harsh enough. The admins are the only ones who truly know exactly what was being done and by who, if they decide this is punishment enough then why not leave well enough alone? I'm not sure which is worse, the cheaters QQ about being caught or the lynch mob QQ about them not being punished enough.
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Old 08-29-2011, 12:26 AM
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Actually he just sounds like someone who is using logic instead of emotion. It's totally understandable to be mad at those who cheated and want your internet justice, but what he said is for the most part true. Do you honestly think someone that has Fungi tunics got them by clicking on a "fungi tunic" macro and they just appeared in his backpack?

His other statement was spot on too. If most of TR is online and not suspended, then what does that say about the cheaters? If it's that simple to cheat in the game and gain this huge advantage, then why aren't the cheaters the ones with the raid mobs on lockdown?

*crickets*

It is a legitimate question. Perhaps because the cheating wasn't as game breaking as you want to believe and the plat being removed wasn't due to gaining it "illegally", but simply part of the punishment for getting caught?
No crickets for thinkers. From what it sounds like there were people who got suspended from the larger guilds; who knows what bosses they were checking with mods? Obviously people aren't chain duping Fungi Tunics, but how many times did these people zone into OS on a server pop and said "Oh shit Fungi King is up, lets go wipe him out". I'd be running around like a kid on Christmas morning on server ups. Hadden up? Pyzjn up? Petrifin up? Bilge up? Do I need to continue?

Your argument is inherently flawed. If it's not such a big advantage, why did 365 accounts get suspended? People wouldn't bother if it wasn't worthwhile. I'm always confused when shit like this happens and people want to go soft and be sympathetic. Don't like the consequences? Don't cheat next time. And for those of you naive enough who think "it's not big deal, it didn't effect me" -- yeah, they didn't walk up and piss in your cheerios, but you can thank them for an altered economy.
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Old 08-29-2011, 01:54 AM
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Your argument is inherently flawed. If it's not such a big advantage, why did 365 accounts get suspended? People wouldn't bother if it wasn't worthwhile. I'm always confused when shit like this happens and people want to go soft and be sympathetic.
Because it was just that easy to do? I'm not saying it wasn't advantageous, I'm saying that it wasn't god mode and a free ticket to the winner's circle. It was "worthwhile" because they thought they wouldn't get caught and probably took no longer than 10 minutes to download and install.

I'm not soft or sympathetic at all and am ok with the punishment, I'm simply not nerd raging like a lot of people are about it. You have a right to be pissed and some of us have a right to be "meh". That's all.

I'm always confused when so many people get into an uproar over pixels on the internet. It's a game. A rather awesome game, but still a game nonetheless. If a game can upset me that much then I'd prefer not to play it in the first place as it doesn't sound healthy.

I killed Hadden many times before Kunark came out trying to get that damn earring. Was never more difficult than zoning in and running for 30 seconds over that little hill by the lake. Cheaters could zone in and look without having to even run. Damnit they're lazy too.
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Old 08-30-2011, 06:17 AM
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Let's be real here. Why the hell would we want out devs spending countless hours going through each individual account removing items etc. You know how much time that would take. In reality what they did was good. Due to the amount of account's it would've detrimentally hurt the server for some considering how many accounts. Now I'm all for harsh punishment. In fact I prefer they all get banned forever. Or at least suspended until velious comes out with the account deleted. Regardless the less time staff has to work to ensure people like this don't break the rules , I am all for. It's pathetic people have to waste their time babysitting retards that break the rules. It's not fair and you spit in the face of the staff that gave you this priv. You literally cost them time to fish you out. I don't care if they wasted 30 seconds clicking a big red ban button. WTF have you done for them??? You donated.... Clearly a donation..... meaning there shouldn't be strings attached. You did it out of the goodness of your own heart.... Yet you cheat break simple rules put in place and spit in the devs faces? As well as the people that play honestly.... It's just jacked. Yeah it may be just a game , but like I said you are priviledged having been able to play it. In my opinion the cheaters should just be adults and walk away from the game , knowing they are cheats. Though this won't happen none of them have a sense of integrity or care for others , unless they benefit like cheating....
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Old 08-30-2011, 08:05 AM
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There have been cheaters in the past and they were dealt a harsh hand as what befits such an act for a game like this. One in which there is a player made commerce especially.

The dev's decision to not Ban those that cheated this time was a decision made to pad the server and not lose a hefty amount of its player base. While I can understand this, this action is just plain unfair and bias to the rest of the player base. What this glaringly says is that having the numbers is more important then having a non-cheating player base. Those that were caught will try something different next time because that is what they do. There are cheaters and then there are the rest of us who just want a fair shake at playing a game we love.

Ok, yes I realize this is a game and lets not get to serious about it but I came here to P1999 for the specific reason that these guys actually try to curb cheating. Cheating turns this "game" into something different. Any character holding a Plat or a piece of equipment received through cheating should be completely deleted in the spirit of those banned before them. If those cheaters want to come back to the server, make a new account, they will even if they have to start over.

People have been cheating on this server, probably since it was started. I have no doubt months and months of cheating has been going on before the devs set out there 2 week net. Confiscating 3 million plat from 350 players is 8575 plat per person. Really? Are you kidding me? What do the rest of the player base get for just playing the game, populating this server with honest game play? One day of +50% xp. Cheating and nabbing Dragon loot, Fungi Tunics, T-Staffs and other premier loot worth 100's of millions of plat. And they grab 8575 from each player and xp? Are you kidding me?
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Old 08-29-2011, 01:53 AM
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Actually he just sounds like someone who is using logic instead of emotion. It's totally understandable to be mad at those who cheated and want your internet justice, but what he said is for the most part true. Do you honestly think someone that has Fungi tunics got them by clicking on a "fungi tunic" macro and they just appeared in his backpack?

His other statement was spot on too. If most of TR is online and not suspended, then what does that say about the cheaters? If it's that simple to cheat in the game and gain this huge advantage, then why aren't the cheaters the ones with the raid mobs on lockdown?

*crickets*

It is a legitimate question. Perhaps because the cheating wasn't as game breaking as you want to believe and the plat being removed wasn't due to gaining it "illegally", but simply part of the punishment for getting caught?

On one hand people are applauding Rogean for catching the hackers, while on the other they're QQ about how he isn't being harsh enough. The admins are the only ones who truly know exactly what was being done and by who, if they decide this is punishment enough then why not leave well enough alone? I'm not sure which is worse, the cheaters QQ about being caught or the lynch mob QQ about them not being punished enough.
Definitely a hacking piece of shit trying to defend the lax nature of the punishments in server history.
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Old 08-29-2011, 01:57 AM
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Definitely a hacking piece of shit trying to defend the lax nature of the punishments in server history.
I'm not sure whether to laugh or pity you honestly. If someone isn't mad enough at cheaters then they are cheaters too? Internet lynch mob mentality at it's finest.

Didn't you stop playing or something? If so why are you so upset at a game you no longer play?
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Old 08-28-2011, 11:57 PM
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Stripping items would certainly sting quite a bit more than dumping coin. Some of these items may no longer drop in the game - they'd be forever beyond the reach of PCs. Containers are trade-able, yet may contain No Trade gear. Constructing and testing a query to accomplish item purges amounts to making more work for the GMs. Quite a bit more if you're after something arguably fair.

As I mentioned earlier, I'm fine with the measures the GMs have taken. We want a balance between corrective action and making a lot of additional work for some of the people who provide this game to us.
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