Bow damage formula?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thanks! Looks like the BFG uses the 2H bonus table, not the 1H values. With 1dmg arrows and unrooted the modal value is 78. When rooted with 1dmg arrows the modal value is 56. That works out to 22 + 34 = 56 and 2*22 + 34 = 78. That's the 50-delay 2H bonus at level 57. What a weird weapon. You can dual wield with it but it uses the 2h damage table.

And that means the base damage that gets doubled is (dmg + arrow dmg + 1). That's still a little strange. But I guess the standard melee damage before damage bonus is (2xdmg + 1), so if I squint I can see how it all works out. I'm close to 58 which means an increase in the damage bonus so I'll be able to do more parses in a week or so.

For melee weapons the most common damage value is generally weapon damage * 2 + damage bonus for higher level characters. You can see this in P99 parses. This is because there is a percent chance for your max damage on any swing to be capped at weapon damage * 2 + damage bonus.

I don't think BFG is using the 2h table. The math would be 21 * 2 + 34 = 76 for non-stationary and 21 * 4 + 34 = 118 for double damage. That doesn't match your numbers.

21 * 2 = 42 * 2 (double damage) = 84 * 0.783 = 65.7 + 10 = 76 rounded up is close to the 78 number you are getting for the double damage. Your previous data set was mostly using double damage attacks, so that is the better comparison value.

[kjs86z2]

BFG will forever be Big Fucking Gun in my eyes.

[bcbrown]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

21 * 2 = 42 * 2 (double damage) = 84 * 0.783 = 65.7 + 10 = 76 rounded up is close to the 78 number you are getting for the double damage. Your previous data set was mostly using double damage attacks, so that is the better comparison value.

Look, I think my explanation is dumb as hell and likely wrong, but at least I can make my way to the right number. Your argument is that 75.7 is "close to 78"? Cmon man.

The three modal numbers I've measured so far are:
3dmg arrows, unrooted: 82
1dmg arrows, unrooted: 78
1dmg arrows, rooted: 56

I welcome other ideas to explain how to get to those numbers, but you gotta actually get to those numbers if you want me to take it seriously.

[TytosOfEight]

The BFG does use the 2h bonus table. Get a crit with it and look at the difference between base damage and crit damage, it's the same value as the bonus damage.

I can't find my parses but I've tested all bows. Bow the Destroyer and Primal Bow at 60 with an Earthshaker are the best dps bows, with little difference between them. However, you often get weird lag with the Dagarn bow because it's so fast, which I think might be interacting with the server tick. Essentially, the range button just greys out for a few seconds. It's weird. Low 30s feels like the best delay for a bow.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Look, I think my explanation is dumb as hell and likely wrong, but at least I can make my way to the right number. Your argument is that 75.7 is "close to 78"? Cmon man.

The three modal numbers I've measured so far are:
3dmg arrows, unrooted: 82
1dmg arrows, unrooted: 78
1dmg arrows, rooted: 56

I welcome other ideas to explain how to get to those numbers, but you gotta actually get to those numbers if you want me to take it seriously.

I am not sure why you act ike this. There is no need to attack other posters.

Your initial explaination added 1 damage randomly, didn't multiply the weapon damage by 2, and used the wrong damage table. I am not sure why you think your idea should be taken seriously, while other ideas shouldn't be taken seriously.

If you read my previous posts, you would know 0.783 was a guess on a global damage modifier. Feel free to use a different number.

Can you provide your raw logs?

Originally Posted by TytosOfEight [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The BFG does use the 2h bonus table. Get a crit with it and look at the difference between base damage and crit damage, it's the same value as the bonus damage.

I can't find my parses but I've tested all bows. Bow the Destroyer and Primal Bow at 60 with an Earthshaker are the best dps bows, with little difference between them. However, you often get weird lag with the Dagarn bow because it's so fast, which I think might be interacting with the server tick. Essentially, the range button just greys out for a few seconds. It's weird. Low 30s feels like the best delay for a bow.

If that was true, your minimum damage would be at least 34 + 1 = 35 at level 57, due to BFG having 50 delay. Bcbrown was hitting for 26 damage at the lower end. There is no way to hit for less than your main hand damage bonus + 1.

[TytosOfEight]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am not sure why you act ike this. There is no need to attack other posters.

Your initial explaination added 1 damage randomly, didn't multiply the weapon damage by 2, and used the wrong damage table. I am not sure why you think your idea should be taken seriously, while other ideas shouldn't be taken seriously.

If you read my previous posts, you would know 0.783 was a guess on a global damage modifier. Feel free to use a different number.

Can you provide your raw logs?



If that was true, your minimum damage would be at least 34 at level 57. Bcbrown was hitting for 26 damage at the lower end.

I just ran into CB and killed a few orcs. If you look at the two photos: first is with Baton - I got a 134 crit but did 145 damage (+11 bonus mainhand damage bonus). The second photo is a crit from BFG and did 154 crit but 196 damage (that difference is the same as the mainhand damage bonus for a 2h with the BFG delay).

BFG does use 2h damage table.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by TytosOfEight [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just ran into CB and killed a few orcs. If you look at the two photos: first is with Baton - I got a 134 crit but did 145 damage (+11 bonus mainhand damage bonus). The second photo is a crit from BFG and did 154 crit but 196 damage (that difference is the same as the mainhand damage bonus for a 2h with the BFG delay).

BFG does use 2h damage table.

Do you have some minimum damage examples? Unless Bcbrown's data graph was simply using bad numbers, he supposedly hit for 26 damage at minimum. That would be impossible with a 34 damage bonus.

[bcbrown]

If you had actually read my post where I explained how I gathered the data, you would find the answer to your question.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you had actually read my post where I explained how I gathered the data, you would find the answer to your question.

You could just provide the raw data and stop acting silly. You are just making the process of solving the problem more difficult via your poor behavior.

[TytosOfEight]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you have some minimum damage examples? Unless Bcbrown's data graph was simply using bad numbers, he supposedly hit for 26 damage at minimum. That would be impossible with a 34 damage bonus.

The two photos that I provided clearly demonstrate that the BFG is using 2h bonus damage. There's no other way of explaining it.