The right to discriminate

[Ciderpress]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yes, that's right: getting more illegal immigrants in your neighborhood will (statistically) lower the crime rate!

This is not true at all. The data on illegal immigrant crime rates is highly suspect *because* they are illegal. It's much harder to measure the crime rates of people who have an extra incentive to avoid detection in the first place.

There's also a difference between petty crime and violent crime. I'd much rather live in a neighborhood with 10 american shoplifters than one with zero american shoplifters but one illegal immigrant murderer.

It is not racist to notice that people who smuggle themselves into the country in cooperation with drug cartels might also be the type likely to commit further crimes. My family is largely scandinavian and if illegals from sweden were the issue at hand I wouldn't feel any differently about it.

[shovelquest]

Originally Posted by Ciderpress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is not true at all

The source for that was a protest organization who's goal in the company ABOUT section is to "shape" how we think about immigration.

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Reality: try living in it. Immigrants lower crime rates in reality ... just not in your fucked up imaginary hatred world.

The only thing it lowers is wages. And CNN knows this, which is why they don't report on anything but how much things will cost as a result of deportations.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The source for that was a protest organization who's goal in the company ABOUT section is to "shape" how we think about immigration.

What's it called when you have no leg to stand on, rationally, so all you can do is take pot shots at (one particular) messenger (even though there are hundreds of others all saying the same thing)?

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Ciderpress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is not true at all. The data on illegal immigrant crime rates is highly suspect *because* they are illegal. It's much harder to measure the crime rates of people who have an extra incentive to avoid detection in the first place.

There's also a difference between petty crime and violent crime. I'd much rather live in a neighborhood with 10 american shoplifters than one with zero american shoplifters but one illegal immigrant murderer.

It is not racist to notice that people who smuggle themselves into the country in cooperation with drug cartels might also be the type likely to commit further crimes. My family is largely scandinavian and if illegals from sweden were the issue at hand I wouldn't feel any differently about it.

The trend remains true for both violent and non-violent crime.

And you can speculate all you want "people who smuggle themselves into the country", but again ... reality doesn't agree with your imagination.

[Ciderpress]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And you can speculate all you want "people who smuggle themselves into the country", but again ... reality doesn't agree with your imagination.

Tell that to people who live in el paso boss. Know who opposes illegal immigration even more than natural born americans? Legal immigrants! Are they racist against their own people or something? Because that makes no sense. People are sick of that dumb baseless racism smear every time they're just like "uh maybe this guy with face tattoos who keeps breaking into my ranch in el paso is a bad thing??. Could we maybe do something to stop this?"

No! You are a rrrrrrracist! Barf, so old.

[WarpathEQ]

As if this is a deterent to rape...ever hear of an accomplish? Men use women accomplises all the time to perpetuate crimes. I just saw an article about a guy that got sentenced for forcing women into sex work to pay off their drug debts. Like how else this bish supposed to pay me my money?

[Ekco]

Originally Posted by WarpathEQ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

forcing women into sex work to pay off their drug debts.

this shit is incredibly common, Requiem for a Dream is a dope movie about this slippery slope

like... literally every stripper or porn actresses backstory is just a fucking nightmare also, generally speaking.

[shovelquest]

That is total bullshit, having more illegal immigrants means you will have locked up shit at every grocery store.

"b-b-b-but this study the IMMGIRATION COUNCIL study I found on facebook says they are angels!"

[loramin]

Reality: try living in it. Immigrants lower crime rates in reality ... just not in your fucked up imaginary hatred world.

[shovelquest]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Reality: try living in it. Immigrants lower crime rates in reality ... just not in your fucked up imaginary hatred world.

Look at all this bread they are feeding their families with!