Critical Fail Combines are Amazing

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you remember what his testing looked like or not at all?

I guess you could add up how many failure/success you get and then check the skill ups proportions. I'm not sure all tradeskills are governed by the same formula though.

I don't remember the exact the details (it's been over two decades), but basically he did a bunch of combines with a trivial that was close (eg. tradeskill 100, trivial 110), and a bunch of combines with a trivial that was way far off (eg. trivial 200).

He did a lot of combines (which was a big deal back then: people didn't have the plat/items to just do a ton of combines at once), and found that he got the same skill-up rate regardless of the trivial.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That would make sense. Sadly, the original EQ Traders forums have been lost to time, as they're not on the Wayback Machine. I even emailed the "den mother" of EQ Traders, and she said she'd look and see if she had the old posts ... but then never wrote back, so I assume not even she has them.

Still, I'm 100% certain that tradeskill success (in classic) did not influence skillup success. This was something tradeskillers back then were very keen to know, so one tradeskiller finally did a series of tests, which proved that there was no connection.

At the time, this thread was "big news" among the classic tradeskilling community, so I remember it well, but now that it's lost it's probably the only "proof" that ever existed (because proving it required so much work that only a tradeskill addict on the tradeskill forum would conduct it).

Meaning the trade skill up percentage is just pure RNG? And a failure has just as much chance as increasing it as a successful combine?

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Meaning the trade skill up percentage is just pure RNG? And a failure has just as much chance as increasing it as a successful combine?

I don't think skill up chance is pure RNG, it definitely follows a curve. The higher you get the harder it is to skill up. When you first start out it is like 33% chance to skill up and in the 160s its like 12% and in the 200s like 6%. I've observed it through different tradeskills a well.

Your int/wis (or str/dex on some tradeskills) will affect your skill up chance but success rate seems fixed for a given level. What's "debated" is if it is easier to skill up on a success or not.

[cd288]

Yeah sorry I misspoke. Figured there was some scaling with level. Thanks!