How do you justify not paying for EverQuest?

[Ekco]

shitting on company time and pirating software isn't stealing.

downloading a mp3 or using vegas to make a video for youtube is some if a tree falls in the woods and nobody is around to hear it type shit.

burning 100 copies of vegas and selling them, that's stealing. handing out a print out of all the recent movies and taking orders from 100 coworkers for 5 bucks a dvd. that's stealing.

were you raised Catholic or something cuz thats some powerful guilt

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

Originally Posted by Ekco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

shitting on company time and pirating software isn't stealing.

downloading a mp3 or using vegas to make a video for youtube is some if a tree falls in the woods and nobody is around to hear it type shit.

burning 100 copies of vegas and selling them, that's stealing. handing out a print out of all the recent movies and taking orders from 100 coworkers for 5 bucks a dvd. that's stealing.

were you raised Catholic or something cuz thats some powerful guilt

Lol Lutheran (Christian). But yea strict moral upbringing type of parents. Don’t lie. Don’t cheat. Don’t steal. Ever. Especially got that from Dad. To this day even super minor stuff I suggest he lie about he’s like no that’s dishonest. The difference between him and most people is that he doesn’t moral grandstand about doing it like most people’s “virtues”. He just does it, always tells the truth

But I am not like him now. I am perfectly willing and capable to lie based on the damage I think it will (not) do. But I can’t recall stealing even digital anymore. Mostly because I’m not as tech savvy as I was lol. Although if a game was good, I think it is stupid to steal it since paying for it is the way to ensure it gets maintained and possibly updated someday with hopefully some quality

[Ciderpress]

Originally Posted by Ekco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

shitting on company time and pirating software isn't stealing.

downloading a mp3 or using vegas to make a video for youtube is some if a tree falls in the woods and nobody is around to hear it type shit.

burning 100 copies of vegas and selling them, that's stealing. handing out a print out of all the recent movies and taking orders from 100 coworkers for 5 bucks a dvd. that's stealing.

were you raised Catholic or something cuz thats some powerful guilt

So it's only stealing if you sell them? What if you give them away? If adobe wants 10 bucks for photoshop, and you offer it for 5, some people will be more likely to get it from you instead. If you give it away *for free*, they will get it from you *guaranteed*. How is that not worse?

You don't have to be catholic or even religious to understand that's ethically fucked.

[Ciderpress]

And mind you, I hate adobe for it's subscription model. I do not begrudge them selling their products though, because it consumes labor and resources to make them. I just want to own a legitimate copy of photoshop, not rent it.

[Ekco]

like are you two literally trolling or something?

"Is it piracy if you don't sell it?
The most familiar type of piracy is the illegal copying and distribution of music, movies, and games from the Internet. While downloading these products—if you pay for them or have permission—isn't a crime, it is a crime if they are sent to others or widely distributed."

if downloading stuff for personal use is a crime, i've stolen a trillion fucking dollars lol.

[Ekco]

also, don't know if you guys have been paying attention to the news or not but every fortune 500 company stole IP from every person they could to build their LLMs, literally Petabytes of it.

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

Originally Posted by Ekco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

like are you two literally trolling or something?

"Is it piracy if you don't sell it?
The most familiar type of piracy is the illegal copying and distribution of music, movies, and games from the Internet. While downloading these products—if you pay for them or have permission—isn't a crime, it is a crime if they are sent to others or widely distributed."

if downloading stuff for personal use is a crime, i've stolen a trillion fucking dollars lol.

How would a service economy work if everyone did that?

Someone spends a certain number of qualified hours making a product or service, which is then illegally downloaded for personal use. By everyone

This reminds me of that Always Sunny episode about Dave n busters. “How does this work again, Mac?”

[Ciderpress]

If one wants a piece of software bad enough, one might pay for it eventually. If that piece of software is on offer for free, you will obviously get it for free instead. The company then doesn't get as high a return on the investment of money and labor and time they put up to develop the software in the first place. If they don't bring in money, they can't keep making photoshops.

It's not really complicated at all, rationalizing software piracy only works if there's some magic genie who keeps developing and making new software for free. It might kinda feel like that's the case sometimes, but it's not.

[Ekco]

they just spent a billion dollars making a LOTR show nobody is watching, i think the creatives are doing just fine.

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

Originally Posted by Ciderpress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If one wants a piece of software bad enough, one might pay for it eventually. If that piece of software is on offer for free, you will obviously get it for free instead. The company then doesn't get as high a return on the investment of money and labor and time they put up to develop the software in the first place. If they don't bring in money, they can't keep making photoshops.

It's not really complicated at all, rationalizing software piracy only works if there's some magic genie who keeps developing and making new software for free. It might kinda feel like that's the case sometimes, but it's not.

Well most “free trials” are also with limited features to prevent the one-users like me from exploiting them

But either way, I can’t imagine it being completely legal to essentially steal a digital product for personal use. Like are you going to get in trouble for it? Probably not. But if some mega-company like Nintendo wanted to after you with their army of lawyers over it, I’m sure it’s not 100% legal

But I not super versed in law so….