Making a Warrior

[Keebz]

Well the casters that have the best clickies with stuff like haste, runes, soul well, rez, lures, ports, etc, etc. Not to mention Manastone is effectively unusable by warriors.

I think the only unique warrior clickies are cobalt (correct me if wrong)? Meanwhile, the other melees have shit like clicky haste, insta invis, FD, Symbol, soothe, illusions, etc. So easily at least on par with shrink.

For procs I'd say they are up there and there's a valid argument here, but Rangers also get the snares and slows and a bunch of novel (if bad) high damage procing weapons. The Bard/Shadow Knight epic procs are also notably defining.

Warriors get the _most value_ out of trivial clickies and procs because they have no abilities, so it feels like they have more.

[Naethyn]

Originally Posted by Keebz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well the casters that have the best clickies with stuff like haste, runes, soul well, rez, lures, ports, etc, etc. Not to mention Manastone is effectively unusable by warriors.

I think the only unique warrior clickies are cobalt (correct me if wrong)? Meanwhile, the other melees have shit like clicky haste, insta invis, FD, Symbol, soothe, illusions, etc. So easily at least on par with shrink.

For procs I'd say they are up there and there's a valid argument here, but Rangers also get the snares and slows and a bunch of novel (if bad) high damage procing weapons. The Bard/Shadow Knight epic procs are also notably defining.

Warriors get the _most value_ out of trivial clickies and procs because they have no abilities, so it feels like they have more.

You're comparing warriors against every other class at once. Sure, other classes get a few of each of the clicks, but I challenge you to pick a class that has as many that are so diverse.

Also, manastone is the best way to stay zerk.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Naethyn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, manastone is the best way to stay zerk.

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…. I honestly never would have thought of using one that way.

Touché

[Keebz]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

…. I honestly never would have thought of using one that way.

The real hack was manastones being really good for maintaining low health aggro for trains. At least it was until it was patched out of the planes.

[Keebz]

Originally Posted by Naethyn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're comparing warriors against every other class at once. Sure, other classes get a few of each of the clicks, but I challenge you to pick a class that has as many that are so diverse.

What warrior exclusive clickies are there outside of Cobalt? Procs?

I literally think warriors are bottom tier for clickies. Targeted shrink is pretty weak relative to the other classes. For procs, they are fine, but don't have access to any particularly special procs aside from a 50% slow (mind you virtually everyone gets 35% via Willsapper).

Take Ranger. They get roughly the same procs including the big slow, but have self-haste and self-port instead of shrink.

[Naethyn]

Originally Posted by Keebz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What warrior exclusive clickies are there outside of Cobalt? Procs?

Originally Posted by Naethyn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're comparing warriors against every other class at once. Sure, other classes get a few of each of the clicks, but I challenge you to pick a class that has as many that are so diverse.

This is about diversity, not exclusivity. You keep going back to what warriors can do that no one else can do. Warriors have access to more gear and more weapons than any other class. As a result warriors get more a far more procs and clicks than anyone else.

[Keebz]

Originally Posted by Naethyn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Warriors have access to more gear and more weapons than any other class.

Do they? More importantly do they have access to more clickies and procs than any other class? I'd suggest backing up your claim with data.

[greatdane]

Originally Posted by Naethyn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is about diversity, not exclusivity. You keep going back to what warriors can do that no one else can do. Warriors have access to more gear and more weapons than any other class. As a result warriors get more a far more procs and clicks than anyone else.

Volume of items is irrelevant. Diversity is not inherently valuable. What matters is which ones are impactful and valuable to have. The overwhelming majority of procs and clickies in this game are worthless garbage that nobody cares about. For warriors in particular, most of their procs give them a worse alternative to things that other classes can do better without needing to rely on an item for it. For instance, weapons with aggro procs are not some kind of advantage warriors have over knights. Knights don't care if their weapons have aggro procs because they don't need them. For that reason, aggro procs aren't some sort of asset specific to the warrior class. As such, it's illogical to measure the power of a class by the sheer number of weapons with procs that it has available to it. That's an intellectual fallacy. It's like saying the Special Olympics offers a greater display of athleticism than the regular olympics because there's a greater diversity between the athletes.

Example:

Warrior has a larger number of items with clicky invis than an SK does. However, the SK has an instant-click one, and can also cast the spell themselves without relying on any item. By your logic, the warrior's invis options are better simply because their list of items is longer. That clearly isn't true, though.

[Gustoo]

Warriors can't channel

So the shit should be mega sketchy in combat

For a while they were channeling.

SK and pally for utility and invulnerability.

[Jimjam]

When warriors could 360’ full speed sneak, infinite z taunt, sneak pull, invis pull and battle-bandage my god halfling warriors were gods!

… well, not compared to velious monks, maybe, but compared to unbugged warriors they were!