Mrylokar BP vs Fungi vs both - Time investment on leveling

[Snaggles]

If it would work your position would have to be perfect since no channeling.

It always seemed more a gimmick than a trick to exploit. Between ducking and recasting later, or a utility spell like Root, not sure what benefit it might give outside maybe PvP’ing.

[Duik]

Rogue cannot root or snare (outside of poisons). Also the stand in a corner so position has no choice but be the same, like the video linked about the wiz robe.

Also also, it was a question directed st someone who has A: a rogue of 45+ and B: a Mrylokar BP.
Other BP heal classes may also apply.

[Fireblade7]

Oh I plan on picking up a fungi for my bag later on and just keeping both. I just didn’t have the funds to do that while leveling. Also 60% into 54!

[Evia]

FWIW I had a fungi on my 60 rogue and I sold it and bought a mrylokars BP. Within a week i sold the mrylokars and bought back the fungi. I felt I could do more with in combat regen vs patching myself up after battles. Mobs I used to be able to take with the fungi I now could not with the mrylokars. Maybe that's just me tho.

[zelld52]

Originally Posted by Duik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rogue cannot root or snare (outside of poisons). Also the stand in a corner so position has no choice but be the same, like the video linked about the wiz robe.

Also also, it was a question directed st someone who has A: a rogue of 45+ and B: a Mrylokar BP.
Other BP heal classes may also apply.

didnt do with corner positioning, but i soloed the barbarians in Qeynos bank using poison and mrylo BP. trick is to back up and reapply poison while root is still effect on Spine Break, so you keep it constantly rooted. if necessary you can heal mid fight too, but Spine Break is also a slow.

Rogue solo is really really not good

[WarpathEQ]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A fungi is 150hps a minute. It regens 2.5hp/second. Blue cons do more than 2.5dps. Best of luck using a calculator.

Lots of rogues solo to 60, it is isn’t hard if you know where to go, have decent gear, bum buffs, or use poisons.

Nobody is saying you will be HP neutral or positive with a fungi on 50+ silly man but that extra 450hp over a 3 minute fight, which is probably ~20% of your total HP self buffed means you can fight 20% more mob, compared to a very minimal diff in your overall AC. As someone who used both while leveling I saw a massive difference in what fights I could win with a fungi on over a mrylokars BP during combat. Of course the MBP is the best thing outside of combat but that only matters when you aren't dead and when you can actually kill things that give meaningful exp gains.

The fungi is a necessity to maximize your solo exp efficiency the MBP is a luxury to reduce downtime

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by WarpathEQ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nobody is saying you will be HP neutral or positive with a fungi on 50+ silly man but that extra 450hp over a 3 minute fight, which is probably ~20% of your total HP self buffed means you can fight 20% more mob, compared to a very minimal diff in your overall AC. As someone who used both while leveling I saw a massive difference in what fights I could win with a fungi on over a mrylokars BP during combat. Of course the MBP is the best thing outside of combat but that only matters when you aren't dead and when you can actually kill things that give meaningful exp gains.

The fungi is a necessity to maximize your solo exp efficiency the MBP is a luxury to reduce downtime

I came off smug, sorry about that.

Understandable but most fights in this game outside a few classes are kill one, recover, repeat ad nauseam. 7 min repops are the life blood of a solo to 60 melee.

Currently a Mryo on blue sells for about 2x a Fungi. It’s a nice cheap pick for any melee and most the priests situationally. That said, most fights aren’t 3 minutes long for a monk, rogue, or warrior. Perhaps for a hybrid melee due to spell use and lower dps on higher Hp targets.

All of it does sound painful though. I agree you certainly need a recovery tool to keep killing a repop in those high levels. Not sure I agree that a 58+ post-HK rogue needs a fungi to live. If so they are walking a high-wire with death (a couple hundred hps) every fight, RNG is going to roll bad dice eventually.

[Jimjam]

I’ve never timed it on any other class, but sonic bats (and later LdCs) can take a full evasive disc when soloing on a warrior, so I don’t think a rogue would be that much faster (unless very talented at ghost stab)… then again maybe RB + eyepatch could speed things up enough to make the fight closer to 2 mins, but that is still a beefy +300hp. That is a big cutdown on how often you’d have to zone out / emergency potion / whateverif you take a few bad rounds.

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I’ve never timed it on any other class, but sonic bats (and later LdCs) can take a full evasive disc when soloing on a warrior, so I don’t think a rogue would be that much faster (unless very talented at ghost stab)… then again maybe RB + eyepatch could speed things up enough to make the fight closer to 2 mins, but that is still a beefy +300hp. That is a big cutdown on how often you’d have to zone out / emergency potion / whateverif you take a few bad rounds.

lDC’s have 5.3k. You need 29dps to do that in 3 minutes.

I guess it makes sense but that dps seems a bit low. It’s about what my SK does with a soul defiler with a Sky haste belt.

This thread is making rogue poison even more appealing. Due to the duration of spine break 1 though I’m thinking a leveling path to farm materials for higher rank versions might be necessary.

[Duik]

Stop making me want a rog. All this chat of poisons and ghost BS sounds enticing.
Moderate to extreme twinkage though would be required im thinking. At least money to make poisons.