Tunare didn't really have raid guilds.

[Wakanda]

Originally Posted by Ciderpress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What you're describing sounds like a collectivist nightmare where nobody has any real stake in anything, social relationships don't matter and you wait for your participation trophy that means nothing when you get it.

I agree though it's cool that different cultures just organically emerged on each server like that. I played on Povar- we had trade hubs in Gfay, NFP and the EC tunnel. We also had a fiercely competitive raid scene.

I can see what you're saying, and it makes me wonder if that's why it was so hard to get planar gear on Tunare. Like getting my set of Woven Shadow was a huge under-taking, but it made it feel super rewarding. I had Cleric friends who never had full planar even after years of raiding. Then I come on P99 and get full Planar 2 hours after zoning into Hate and I'm just like wait, what??? I still think that the drop rates are over-tuned for Planar gear, under-tuned for Ravenscale, but that's whatever.

Also like there was low incentive, virtually no incentive for me to raid Plane of Hate on my Monk unless I thought we were going to be killing bosses. If we were pulling trash, no way, I ain't interested. That's one cool thing about the way DKP works, there's always incentives for Clerics to raid PoF and monks to raid PoH, but that wasn't really a thing on Tunare, at least from MY perspective.

They did have some seniority rules. I would say you are wrong about people not building meaningful relationships without guilds. I feel like it was the other way around. You're desperate for more people to join your raid, so you have everyone reach out to their FRIENDS to join. I remember being shocked when I did my Rogue epic. I wasn't super knowledgeable about the game back then, but a married couple and friends teleported me out to Steamfont and helped me kill Renux or whatever it is you do out there, and then when it was time to kill the General, I was so worried that it would be too hard for me to do. Then 80+ people showed up to help me with this fight even though I wasn't in any guild.

On P99 I feel like guilds.... make people anti-social. There are certain raiding guilds who will treat outsiders like they don't even exist, or are irrelevant. There are people who will join a guild, make a lot of friends, and then bounce to join a raiding guild filled with people they don't even like. My few experiences with being in raiding guilds felt like I was in a guild with actual nazis and that I better be really careful if I type anything because I might get in trouble by simply trying to make banter or conversation.

Then people literally just get loot they want from a guild and then bounce. There's no real friendship there and it's super obvious.

Also the hatred of people in certain guilds. On early days of P99 green I had groups fall apart because someone invited a player from <Seal Team> and everyone started freaking out. Or I've been on Blue and having a chill experience when someone goes on an angry rant about how bad they hate Riot etc. and starts ranting at a player they don't even know because of their guild tag, lol.

I think when guilds are based off of common interests and friendship it's a more social experience than when you join a guild solely to get loot, and might even have guild officers threaten you if you get caught engaging in casual conversation in guild chat. Like nah, man.

I still know people from EQ 25+ years ago (some have passed away). I've never really made that many tight friends from P99, it always feels like everything is more of a business arrangement. Meanwhile even on WoW I have random friends who tag along with me everywhere I go simply because they like playing with me.

There's something about P99 and the guilds / raids that feels very anti-social to me compared to my own experiences with original everquest and other more modern MMOs.

[Jazzy]

I played classic on Tunare through to velious and dont recognise any of what you are spouting here.

(Guilded with JLoN / Tide then Stars)

[Jazzy]

Apart from yea Gfay was the auction hub

[Wakanda]

Originally Posted by Jazzy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I played classic on Tunare through to velious and dont recognise any of what you are spouting here.

(Guilded with JLoN / Tide then Stars)

Justice league of norrath wasnÂ’t a raiding guild 😹 they were incredibly small, and casual
Guild

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Weird how this main tank was tanking for PUG raids huh
If you google JLoN there are a ton of people talking about completely pugging their epics and how that was true nostalgia for them

My guess is that JLN became a thing after everyone quit playing EQ because I notice a lot of them bragging about being badass from 2004-2017

A time period where all of the top EQ players had already quit playing EQ to go MAKE world of Warcraft

The tide / stars thing is weird to even bring up

For outsiders they were an Asian guild who used their time zones to kill all raid mobs while Americans were sleeping

American players got pissed and ended their existence

It actually went stars > tide > doesnÂ’t exist in a matter of like 2 weeks

[Wakanda]

You’re actually bringing back a lot of nostalgia for me [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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i went on a ton of raids that Tiluna led ��

But yeah literally no one cared what guild you were in

Like what guild was Musk in when they got the first and only fiery avenger? Literally the only one in the game on any server? What guild was Kaylum in when he got the first ragebringer on any server?

It’s just really weird to have a very vivid memory of what tunare was + a ton of friends who still talk about it, and then have someone just randomly show up and be like nun unh

[Wakanda]

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I just went to the Facebook page for Tunare and this was the first thing I saw [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lot of JLN people in it btw, you should join if you haven’t already. Super intense nostalgia trip.

[Jazzy]

Didnt say i raided with JLN, just was in the guild for a short time before i realised being euro that my play times didnt match up with any american friends i made.

Stars was a fun time. Used to get so much hate from the rest of server at certain periods

[Mendo]

I loved Gfay as the market. One zone had a bank, merchants, things to kill, and a direct port in. You also got to hang out in the forest rather than the tunnel which is super meh. I mean why don't we at least move our tunnel over to shady? Seems more market like back there.

[Wakanda]

Originally Posted by Jazzy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Didnt say i raided with JLN, just was in the guild for a short time before i realised being euro that my play times didnt match up with any american friends i made.

Stars was a fun time. Used to get so much hate from the rest of server at certain periods

What were you saying then? I hate to come off as this hateful and ornery old man, but pretending like raiding guilds were a thing on Tunare triggers me because it’s like y’all trying to rewrite history and my memories from this game is a big part of my life experiences that I reflect on for happiness

so it hurts when people try to steal that away and turn it into something it wasn’t [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I imagine if we dig deep enough we can find old threads from the emergence of drinal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] was a huge culture shock to tunare players who were used to logging in and having fun and now they had these people from mithaniek mart (cats in hats) telling them they were no longer allowed to play the game

They were super hostile and aggressive about it too

[Jazzy]

My apologies man, didnt mean to start anything.

My experience is vastly different to yours, presumably due to the guilds i was part of for raiding (i stopped playing before luclin).

I dont remember Stars ever doing open raids and needing outsiders. I could be remembering incorrectly. There were perhaps a few ToV raids come to think of it done in cahoots with a smaller guild from HK.

That guild Talisman seemed to boss the server through this time period, always assumed they were raiding on their own but its cool if it was all open raids