Player Agreement: Rule Change at the DS Camp

[servirus06]

Originally Posted by berbax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hello Community,

I am Berbax, a dedicated solo artist player, and I am writing to propose a rule change for the DS camp based on my experiences and gathered evidence. I initially tried to run this by the Project1999 staff, but they preferred a player agreement over instituting the change themselves. So here I'm going to outline the details of what should ideally be done with this camp.

Background and Current Issues:

In August 2023, I attempted to camp DS to achieve the solo artist accomplishment. Despite my best efforts over two weeks, securing the camp became nearly impossible, exacerbated by my own guild's refusal to let me try after they claimed it. After a break, I returned in June this year, only to face similar challenges. It took another two weeks of continuous monitoring to get a single chance at the camp, during which I was subjected to constant pressure and harassment from the "Good Guys" guild.

Video Evidence:
For a detailed account of my journey, please refer to this video: Journey to DS Camp.

Current Camp Monopolization:

Since my return, I have meticulously logged camp ownership. As of today, Castle has monopolized the DS camp 24/7 since July 5, 2024—over 30 days straight. Here are my logs:

06-12-2024 - Good Guys
06-13-2024 - Good Guys
06-14-2024 - Good Guys
06-15-2024 - Good Guys
06-16-2024 - Good Guys
06-17-2024 - Good Guys (I had the camp, GG pressured me to full clear, and I had to cap out)
06-18-2024 - Good Guys
06-19-2024 - Good Guys
06-20-2024 - Kingdom thanks to GG wiping 3 times
06-21-2024 - Good Guys
06-22-2024 - Safe Space
06-23-2024 - Good Guys
06-24-2024 - Good Guys
06-25-2024 - Good Guys
06-26-2024 - Good Guys
06-27-2024 - Good Guys
06-28-2024 - The Drift!
06-29-2024 - Good Guys
06-30-2024 - Lineage (24 hour camp)
07-01-2024 - Lineage (24 hour camp)
07-02-2024 - Lineage (24 hour camp)
07-03-2024 - Lineage (24 hour camp)
07-03-2024 - Good Guys
07-04-2024 - Kingdom (held it since the morning like 930am CST 12 hours early)
07-05-2024 - Castle (24 hour camp?)
07-06-2024 - Castle (24 hour camp?)
07-07-2024 - Castle (24 hour camp?)
07-08-2024 - Castle (24 hour camp?)
07-09-2024 - Castle (24 hour camp?)
07-10-2024 - Castle (24 hour camp?)
07-11-2024 - Castle (24 hour camp?)
07-12-2024 - Good Guys
07-13-2024 - Castle (24 hour camp?)
07-14-2024 - Good Guys
07-15-2024 - Good Guys
07-16-2024 - Castle (24 hour camp?)
07-17-2024 - Castle (24 hour camp?)
07-18-2024 - Castle (24 hour camp?)
07-19-2024 - Castle (24 hour camp?)
07-20-2024 - Castle (24 hour camp?)
07-21-2024 - Castle (24 hour camp?)
07-22-2024 - Castle (24 hour camp?)
07-23-2024 - Castle (24 hour camp?)
07-24-2024 - Castle (24 hour camp?)
07-25-2024 - Castle (24 hour camp?)
07-26-2024 - Castle (24 hour camp?)
07-27-2024 - Castle (24 hour camp?)
07-28-2024 - Castle (24 hour camp?)
07-29-2024 - Castle (24 hour camp?)
07-30-2024 - Castle (24 hour camp?)
07-31-2024 - Castle (24 hour camp?)
08-01-2024 - Castle (24 hour camp?)
08-02-2024 - Castle (24 hour camp?)
08-03-2024 - Castle (24 hour camp?)
08-04-2024 - Castle (24 hour camp?)
08-05-2024 - Castle (24 hour camp?)
08-06-2024 - Castle (24 hour camp?)

Argument for Rule Change:

1. Player Health: The current situation promotes unhealthy gaming habits, with players camping DS non-stop.

1. Toxicity: The high competition and harassment, as exemplified by my experiences with "Good Guys," foster a toxic environment.

1. Fair Access: The DS camp’s urn is valuable for all classes, similar to other high-demand items like Journeyman Boots. Current rules allow high-end guilds to monopolize the camp, excluding others.

1. Economic Impact: The urn sells for approximately 250k on the green server, and monopolization by a few guilds may drive real-money trading (RMT) influences.

1. Balancing Gameplay: DS camp difficulty is now trivial, making a list/line/roll system more reasonable and beneficial for a fair distribution of opportunities.

Proposed Change:

I advocate for implementing a list/line system for the DS camp or a roll, similar to other contentious spots like Angry and Scout. This will ensure healthier gameplay, reduce toxicity, and provide fair access to all players.

Thank you for considering this proposal. I am hopeful for a positive change that benefits the entire Project1999 community.

- Berbax

Berbax, sadly all u have proposed has been thought in blue the biggest problem is DS is not a 100% drop rate, Brool can help establish Urn group in Green if u wanna try to compete and get options, solo endeavors are the 1% of what's seen in DS camp, i understand u wanna do the solo thing, but if you wanna work for quest completion having friends help goes a long way. i had no way of getting urns on my toons till Urn group was founded and ive been in it pretty early, so i can tell you its worth, and you can meet a bunch of new people which guild tags would exclude other wise, since its a system for all [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
hope this bit of info helps - Servirus06

[berbax]

Originally Posted by servirus06 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Berbax, sadly all u have proposed has been thought in blue the biggest problem is DS is not a 100% drop rate, Brool can help establish Urn group in Green if u wanna try to compete and get options, solo endeavors are the 1% of what's seen in DS camp, i understand u wanna do the solo thing, but if you wanna work for quest completion having friends help goes a long way. i had no way of getting urns on my toons till Urn group was founded and ive been in it pretty early, so i can tell you its worth, and you can meet a bunch of new people which guild tags would exclude other wise, since its a system for all [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
hope this bit of info helps - Servirus06

Understood, thanks for your input! I did finish the solo artist attempt though, so that was nice. This post was mostly for the good of the server, and the health of the people on camping it.

[sajbert]

Originally Posted by servirus06 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Berbax, sadly all u have proposed has been thought in blue the biggest problem is DS is not a 100% drop rate.

Neither were most /list camps.

[Mewlio]

It changes a lot.

People will not be sitting there 24/7 as solo person place holding to "phone" their friends when being contested. Will require actual resource commitment.

[magicfest2]

The group I’m in is not limited to one guild, has a point system, and while we aren’t 100% open we do allow people to join that show interest and have a good history of interactions with us that indicate they’re people we can get along with.

Your video does show some interaction with us but not the part where you forced us to clear for hours (though you did just post about it I guess) over many days. I wasn’t there when we lost the camp to you but after watching your video I think it was after the fifth or sixth day of you logging in just 15-30 minutes after us and making us clear nearly the entire 6-8 hours, which we had never done to anyone previously and is absolutely not the norm — typically people ask for a clear to test if people are capable, then might hang around for one more cycle and leave. You single handedly changed the clear meta to be long stretches of time, and we found that to be a bit rude.

[berbax]

Originally Posted by magicfest2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The group I’m in is not limited to one guild, has a point system, and while we aren’t 100% open we do allow people to join that show interest and have a good history of interactions with us that indicate they’re people we can get along with.

Your video does show some interaction with us but not the part where you forced us to clear for hours (though you did just post about it I guess) over many days. I wasn’t there when we lost the camp to you but after watching your video I think it was after the fifth or sixth day of you logging in just 15-30 minutes after us and making us clear nearly the entire 6-8 hours, which we had never done to anyone previously and is absolutely not the norm — typically people ask for a clear to test if people are capable, then might hang around for one more cycle and leave. You single handedly changed the clear meta to be long stretches of time, and we found that to be a bit rude.

The first time I arrived at the camp before you guys, do you know what GG did? GG breathed over my shoulder the entire time. "Clear the camp Berbax. You have 5 minutes Berbax. Engage a golem Berbax. The fun part will be doing this for the next 4 hours. Is that hallway roamer your pet?". These are actual quotes. At that time, I hadn't done anything yet (it was actually day 4 and I hadn't even bothered to record either).This is a pretty constant theme with GG, it's standard behavior. It's hard for me to stress the hypocrisy or the irony of saying "we found that to be a bit rude". I have more examples of this as well.

All of this to say, it's proving my point about the toxicity around the camp, and the overall need for change.

[magicfest2]

Originally Posted by berbax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The first time I arrived at the camp before you guys, do you know what GG did? GG breathed over my shoulder the entire time. "Clear the camp Berbax. You have 5 minutes Berbax. Engage a golem Berbax. The fun part will be doing this for the next 4 hours. Is that hallway roamer your pet?". These are actual quotes. At that time, I hadn't done anything yet (it was actually day 4 and I hadn't even bothered to record either).This is a pretty constant theme with GG, it's standard behavior. It's hard for me to stress the hypocrisy or the irony of saying "we found that to be a bit rude". I have more examples of this as well.

All of this to say, it's proving my point about the toxicity around the camp, and the overall need for change.

If that’s how you remember it. /shrug

[sajbert]

Originally Posted by magicfest2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If that’s how you remember it. /shrug

Oh yeah, I'm sure OP is just remembering. GG would NEVER do that. Right fellas? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[magicfest2]

Originally Posted by sajbert [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh yeah, I'm sure OP is just remembering. GG would NEVER do that. Right fellas? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Again, my group is primarily GG but is not exclusively GG and is not the only GG doing this camp. Referring to the groups camping DS by their guild is not really accurate, and leads to misunderstanding…

I actually did some digging and the first time I can find that we even heard about OP at the camp was 6/17 and another duo who happen to be in GG made him clear (and took the camp). We saw him ourselves the next day on 6/18 and just logged out. The first time we actually interacted with him was when he forced us to clear for several hours on 6/20. At the time he was already angry about the previous days even though this was our first time seeing him. We tried to explain we aren’t the same group but he refused to listen or attempt to understand. We continued to log on earlier than him for the next several days as well, just like his video shows, though we were only beating him by about 15-30 minutes, which we admittedly found a little funny.

Anyway, our group does not request clears except in response to others, as a matter of policy. By the time he got the camp and we asked him to clear for the first time, he’d been forcing us to clear for a simply stupid amount of hours, and we returned the favor. Until recently with Castle (who IS doing it as a guild, apparently) OP is by far the most we have asked someone to clear, and it’s essentially because of his misunderstanding about our group membership and refusal to listen. We’ve asked Castle to clear a bit more than we typically like to (sitting there watching is a huge waste of time too) given their 24h hold for most of the past month, and to their credit, they’ve held well! Honestly I think it’s impressive to see a group of people band together and manage to hold something like that for that long.

[Ripqozko]

Green is a dead server, there is no reason to change anything. Enjoy eternal purgatory, hope this helps.