Most gear dependent non-tank?

[wagorf]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A ranger with Ntov weapons, BFG, dark cloak of the sky, Earthcaller, Tolan BP, Tolan bracer is a completely different class. I’d still enjoy a basic ranger but the flexibility of a top tier one is notable. Especially with wolf form, 8dmg arrows and meme disc dps for 2mins..

Those gears don't make them a completely different class, they are still shit and gimp, so you are completely wrong. The minor dps boost from raid gears don't mean shit when you still lose 50% tanking a dark blue.

Obviously you don't have a ranger in that calibur, yet you try to sound like you have the experience to share.

and wolf form...LOL

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by wagorf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Those gears don't make them a completely different class, they are still shit and gimp, so you are completely wrong. The minor dps boost from raid gears don't mean shit when you still lose 50% tanking a dark blue.

Obviously you don't have a ranger in that calibur, yet you try to sound like you have the experience to share.

and wolf form...LOL

I’d link a Magelo but can’t even reread the original post to realize you are threadjacking. Sorry you have a low dps ranger, I’d level up a monk if I were you too. Lemme know if you ever parse 100+ dps on a Vindi.

[cheeseburgergod]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I’d link a Magelo but can’t even reread the original post to realize you are threadjacking. Sorry you have a low dps ranger, I’d level up a monk if I were you too. Lemme know if you ever parse 100+ dps on a Vindi.

Are you really bragging about trueshotting vindi one time and getting a good parse? Surely this isn't your basis for arguing this question.

Rangers definitely scale up with gear better than some classes but basing an answer to the question on hand around 72 minute discipline is inane. If you are really a "ranger with Ntov weapons", hopefully you're saving that disc cooldown for bumping for your guild, right?

Monks, on the other hand, have literal Luclin-era ratio weapons available on P99 and massively scale in all aspects with the gear available, especially if you include novelty clickies you could compare to BFG. And this is without considering availability of long cooldown disciplines.

[wagorf]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I’d link a Magelo but can’t even reread the original post to realize you are threadjacking. Sorry you have a low dps ranger, I’d level up a monk if I were you too. Lemme know if you ever parse 100+ dps on a Vindi.

Like I said you just like to pull random shit out of your ass for sake of an argument.

With Tov weapons/epic ranger is still shit https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:Paris

Exactly the reason I don't even bother getting bis or buying SS armors even though they are cheap as hell, rangers only exist to look good.

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by wagorf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Those gears don't make them a completely different class, they are still shit and gimp, so you are completely wrong. The minor dps boost from raid gears don't mean shit when you still lose 50% tanking a dark blue.

Obviously you don't have a ranger in that calibur, yet you try to sound like you have the experience to share.

and wolf form...LOL

/GU Faydedar in 197s, 42740 @217 | Ripqozko 20239@(104 in 194s) [47.35%] | Nimbleswift 13470@(68 in 197s) [31.52%] | Pkan 6230@(32 in 192s) [14.58%] | Gabab 1261@(8 in 162s) [2.95%] | Lobantik 1052@(6 in 177s) [2.46%] | Sahoni 381@(3 in 110s) [0.89%] | Anemone 107@(4 in 28s) [0.25%]

/GU Jorlleag in 249s, 302k @1214dps --- Cecily 19k @78dps --- Maggott 19k @78dps --- Ripqozko 19k @76dps --- Pryckd 17k @70dps --- Secher 16k @69dps --- Coppernin 16k @66dps --- Briefs 16k @66dps --- Knapsack 15k @59dps --- Edashi 13k @58dps

/GU Hoshkar in 77s, 30k @385dps --- Ripqozko 6k @106dps --- Skew 5k @96dps --- Servicon 5k @84dps --- Knapsack 3k @59dps --- Trazzle 3k @58dps --- Orna 3k @45dps --- Naxi 2k @33dps --- Rikyr 1k @26dps --- Papaj 1k @21dps --- Nexii 0k @28dps

/GU Velketor the Sorcerer in 210s, 189k @899dps --- Dalvens 19k @104dps --- Judass 18k @100dps --- Ripqozko 18k @97dps --- Noctessa 16k @89dps --- Enessae 13k @69dps --- Bageljuice 12k @64dps --- Kozuro 11k @61dps --- Arvan 10k @52dps --- Xyram 8k @47dps --- Niht 8k @40dps

/GU Derakor the Vindicator in 132s, 175k @1326dps --- A Drakkel Dire Wolf 20k @161dps --- Knapsack 16k @121dps --- Ripqozko 15k @118dps --- Idrinkk 13k @109dps --- Rikyr 12k @92dps --- Trazzle 12k @89dps --- Gatitos 11k @87dps --- Logaluger 11k @85dps --- Jenssen 10k @78dps --- Torstein 10k @75dps

Rangers do change with gear and disc. AC is broken on ranger but our dps changes which was the point.

[evilwizard]

not many mentions of casters here, and there isn't really a specific scenario in which this gear dependent character is being used for in the original question, so i'm going to throw a curveball here-

enchanters are probably the most broken class in this timeline. however, there is a very noticeable difference between a 60 ench with non-raid gear vs epic + raid gear and quested spells.

for example- 60 ench with epic + zlandicar's heart + boon can sustainably kill seafuries, chain pulling, with zero downtime.

if your goal is to have a character that can endlessly farm plat solo, i'd say ench or necro is the way to go. shamans are a close second, but certain endgame items are way more expensive for them as opposed to an enchanter. however, being a neckbeard in the top guild and getting a pass on selling raid loot is obviously going to outweigh any class/gear combination if acquiring platinum is your goal. if it's just cool factor and not the ability to solo things, i'd say ranger or paladin.

[Keebz]

Originally Posted by evilwizard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

not many mentions of casters here

Speaking for raiding, without the various clickies and banes wizards are pretty useless as DPS outside of the 32k dragons.

Of course the TLs and kiting roles are not gear dependent at all. Though with ring 10, zlandi and a couple AOB items you could kite vulak guards without losing hp to acid jet, which would be a flex.

[spoil]

A tunnel-geared enchanter can solo the hardest mobs in the game that are possible for anyone to solo. Especially when you have clickies like wand of allure and maybe a reaper charge.

I've never played a raid-geared enchanter but I imagine it would be a bit like playing my own enchanter only with PoTG and symbol, etc. So way more tanky, take less damage/survive on charm breaks and a bigger mana pool/more mana regen with FT8 so you can cast costly spells like rapture, etc. when needed. Way more efficient -- all else being equal. An average player is only going to be an average enchanter, I don't care what gear they have.

[Snaggles]

BFG and Trueshot gives a ranger 2 mins of rogue like damage. Not a good use on AoW but lots of raid targets which are valid for use and are burn down fights. Vindi or any 32k hp and under targets.

With ToV weapons they can do status-quo monk dps. Self hasted to 91% with the cloak. Able to slow raid mobs with an EC or Swarmcaller (but in my experience most who try use an EC).

It’s less that the toys make the class broken-good. Just more flexible and actually solid. A base one with basic stuff is far less capable where as a monk with a PB or EC geared epic rogue is very performant on the parse. Knights can get a Reaver or Narandi for like 6k.

[Toxigen]

Originally Posted by spoil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A tunnel-geared enchanter can solo the hardest mobs in the game that are possible for anyone to solo. Especially when you have clickies like wand of allure and maybe a reaper charge.

I've never played a raid-geared enchanter but I imagine it would be a bit like playing my own enchanter only with PoTG and symbol, etc. So way more tanky, take less damage/survive on charm breaks and a bigger mana pool/more mana regen with FT8 so you can cast costly spells like rapture, etc. when needed. Way more efficient -- all else being equal. An average player is only going to be an average enchanter, I don't care what gear they have.

near bis enchanter is just basically giving you the keys to pilot your enc blackout drunk

btw i dont care what a ranger can do you're not matching a BiS monk no matter how hard you try

pick any class to be full BiS and its monk by a mile...or warrior if you're into tanking