Ranger Tanking 40+

[VincentVolaju]

Originally Posted by Kika Maslyaka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ehem, a ranger with lower offense/weapon caps and without warrior criticals - more dps than a warrior? In best case scenario they will be even

combined with - ranger needs to be healed twice as often than a warrior - your ranger group will be sitting on their arses waiting for cleric to med up every few pulls.

I dont see how a Warrior useing 2 SSoYs that are 8/24 could, even with crits... could even come close to the DPS of someone using 2 Wurmys that are 25/40. Even with lower skill caps, the dmg diff between those weps are insane. A Ranger with those would def. 100% out dps a Warrior with SSoYs whos tanking. How could they not??

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by VincentVolaju [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I dont see how a Warrior useing 2 SSoYs that are 8/24 could, even with crits... could even come close to the DPS of someone using 2 Wurmys that are 25/40. Even with lower skill caps, the dmg diff between those weps are insane. A Ranger with those would def. 100% out dps a Warrior with SSoYs whos tanking. How could they not??

Even so, the extra DPS the ranger would do would in no way make up for the extra mana loss spent during the mana-to-hp conversion rate required to prop a ranger up vs a warrior, nor would it make up for the XP penalty the ranger is sticking the group with.

When you get to 50+ on your ranger, you will understand... unless you stick to Sol B or Lower Guk until you can't get XP from them anymore.

There is a reason they added Jolt on Live a few months into Kunark. While aggro isn't quite working the same here and rangers have been getting by just fine without Jolt, we're not efficiently tanking mobs that hit for 120+ in Kunark unless you've got the gear that Zilo has from being in the top raiding guild on the server.

I keep emphasizing efficiently, because you CAN tank these mobs. I am not saying you can't tank in Karnor's Castle or Sebilis or even in Howling Stones. We're just not the best choice for it when other options are available to a group.

[baalzy]

Rangers get some ATK buff from wolf form that a warrior probably wont get. Aside from that, rangers aren't going to be doing an incredibly higher amount of DPS then a warrior would while the warrior will be mitigating damage a crapload better. Ranger spells will help a little if used for boosting DPS, but they wouldn't be able to keep it up for long w/o needing a med break.

Remember, whoever is tanking takes a hit in their dps because mobs will dodge/riposte you. People who are DPS'ing hit from the back and so they dont get dodges/ripostes and they also get fewer misses & their hits are in the higher end of their damage range more often.

[skybluepugwash]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I keep emphasizing efficiently, because you CAN tank these mobs. I am not saying you can't tank in Karnor's Castle or Sebilis or even in Howling Stones. We're just not the best choice for it when other options are available to a group.

But efficiency isn't all about least damage taken over time in every case, you have to take other factors into consideration, including group makeup. Taken to an extreme, a ranger may take 30% more damage than a plate class but if the end result is that the cleric casts a single complete heal then the damage taken is irrelevant.

You also need to take into account any time spent sitting around waiting for a plate tank when a ranger could be tanking immediately, even if it's not quite an optimal solution. Exp > no exp.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by skybluepugwash [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But efficiency isn't all about least damage taken over time in every case, you have to take other factors into consideration, including group makeup. Taken to an extreme, a ranger may take 30% more damage than a plate class but if the end result is that the cleric casts a single complete heal then the damage taken is irrelevant.

You also need to take into account any time spent sitting around waiting for a plate tank when a ranger could be tanking immediately, even if it's not quite an optimal solution. Exp > no exp.

You make it sound like shadowknights and paladins don't have any snap aggro spells that keep the mob on them, just like a ranger can, and that we aren't on a server full of min-maxers.

[beeshma_nameless]

Isnt Wurmslayer primary only? Or did it become primary only later, and currently it can be equipper in secondary also?

[skybluepugwash]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You make it sound like shadowknights and paladins don't have any snap aggro spells that keep the mob on them, just like a ranger can, and that we aren't on a server full of min-maxers.

What has my post got to do with snap agro? And having a lot of min-maxers just advances my point about downtime waiting for an optimum group.

Clearly plate tanks will take less damage than a ranger. Equally clear is that some situations may not make that any more efficient over time.

[jrwriter]

Here's my 2 cents 56th ranger love me hate me ghostfaces Killah I tank over half my grP do kc seb. And. Do it like a pro thing is ifnu got a shm and a cleric in ur Grp any ranger can tank anything and if no slowers around I've done a 5 dps cleric or shm combo swarmcaller is niche. But I kno what I'm doin most rngs wont be capable what I do I swear prolly a few o ya I got 2 hander that procs rune 3 runed blade

[jrwriter]

O ya a rng with 2 wurmmys will have bad Agro cause wpn don't proc hate and their slow

[Troy]

I want a Runed Blade.