Frontal stun immunity

[Cen]

Everyone always talks about strong racials and Regen and FSI but never slam. Slam is awesome on SK and Warrior [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] especially SK. It's pretty critical to play a big race for SK imo

[Danth]

Originally Posted by Cen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Slam is awesome on SK and Warrior [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] especially SK. It's pretty critical to play a big race for SK imo

My experience is the opposite; I don't care about slam all that much on a shadowknight. It doesn't hurt but I've never had cause to think of it as "critical." Fear's usually a better method of spell suppression. There's always shields so any shadowknight who wants to bash can do so with at worst a weapon change. I like slam best on a shaman since it otherwise doesn't get that ability at all and has very weak interrupts besides.

Danth

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My experience is the opposite; I don't care about slam all that much on a shadowknight. It doesn't hurt but I've never had cause to think of it as "critical." Fear's usually a better method of spell suppression. There's always shields so any shadowknight who wants to bash can do so with at worst a weapon change. I like slam best on a shaman since it otherwise doesn't get that ability at all and has very weak interrupts besides.

Danth

Slam is actually better for fear kiting than spell interruption on an SK (even though it does help with that too). The idea is that every time you stun the enemy for 1 second or so, you are extending your fear runway because they stop moving during the stun period. This is especially great in places where you have a small runway to fear kite.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmDvk3udrhI shows an example of this I believe.

[Jimjam]

Its not great evidence as the parrys, swings and unstun all occur on the same timestamp so they may have just been reported innthe wrong order (ie was unstunned the whole time of 183332).

[Stonewallx39]

Okay, I checked my logs and what Naethyn brought forward seems to be correct. While it was not common (maybe just rng?) I did find instances where my defensive abilities fired while I was stunned, and not during the same time stamp (hopefully elimination the ordering noise).

Conclusion: Stun immunity should not have any impact on mitigating damage. However as said above FSI may slightly improve the ability to gain aggro due to either additional melee swings (could matter early in a fight?) or uninterrupted spell casting.

[Fri Jun 17 16:50:44 2022] You are stunned!
[Fri Jun 17 16:50:44 2022] A Disciple of Innoruuk bashes YOU for 48 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 17 16:50:44 2022] A Disciple of Innoruuk tries to punch YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Fri Jun 17 16:50:44 2022] A Disciple of Innoruuk tries to punch YOU, but YOU block!
[Fri Jun 17 16:50:44 2022] You think you are heading SouthWest.
[Fri Jun 17 16:50:44 2022] Mata pierces a Disciple of Innoruuk for 58 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 17 16:50:44 2022] You can't try to forage while attacking.
[Fri Jun 17 16:50:44 2022] Chaunce slashes a Disciple of Innoruuk for 24 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 17 16:50:44 2022] Chaunce slashes a Disciple of Innoruuk for 44 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 17 16:50:44 2022] Mata pierces a Disciple of Innoruuk for 58 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 17 16:50:44 2022] Lisson pierces a Disciple of Innoruuk for 19 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 17 16:50:45 2022] Trayke slashes a Disciple of Innoruuk for 30 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 17 16:50:45 2022] Gambitt pierces a Disciple of Innoruuk for 1 point of damage.
[Fri Jun 17 16:50:45 2022] Mata slashes a Disciple of Innoruuk for 13 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 17 16:50:45 2022] Ulricht slashes a Disciple of Innoruuk for 34 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 17 16:50:45 2022] Syphyn pierces a Disciple of Innoruuk for 18 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 17 16:50:45 2022] You can't try to forage while attacking.
[Fri Jun 17 16:50:45 2022] Riptorage regains concentration and continues casting.
[Fri Jun 17 16:50:45 2022] Chaunce slashes a Disciple of Innoruuk for 15 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 17 16:50:45 2022] Trayke pierces a Disciple of Innoruuk for 26 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 17 16:50:46 2022] Chaunce slashes a Disciple of Innoruuk for 29 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 17 16:50:46 2022] You try to crush a Disciple of Innoruuk, but miss!
[Fri Jun 17 16:50:46 2022] You crush a Disciple of Innoruuk for 153 points of damage.
[Fri Jun 17 16:50:46 2022] You are unstunned.

[Tue Jul 05 22:25:46 2022] You are stunned!
[Tue Jul 05 22:25:46 2022] A Chetari Dominator bashes YOU for 70 points of damage.
[Tue Jul 05 22:25:46 2022] A Chetari Dominator tries to hit YOU, but YOU block!
[Tue Jul 05 22:25:46 2022] A Chetari Dominator hits YOU for 101 points of damage.
[Tue Jul 05 22:25:46 2022] A Chetari master hits Keeya for 154 points of damage.
[Tue Jul 05 22:25:47 2022] Enemyy was tormented.
[Tue Jul 05 22:25:47 2022] Enemyy crushes a Chetari Dominator for 68 points of damage.
[Tue Jul 05 22:25:47 2022] Enemyy was tormented.
[Tue Jul 05 22:25:47 2022] Enemyy crushes a Chetari Dominator for 39 points of damage.
[Tue Jul 05 22:25:47 2022] Keeya crushes a Chetari master for 132 points of damage.
[Tue Jul 05 22:25:47 2022] Keeya crushes a Chetari master for 151 points of damage.
[Tue Jul 05 22:25:47 2022] Keeya kicks a Chetari master for 60 points of damage.
[Tue Jul 05 22:25:48 2022] Duwen was tormented.
[Tue Jul 05 22:25:48 2022] Duwen crushes a Chetari Dominator for 26 points of damage.
[Tue Jul 05 22:25:48 2022] A Chetari Dominator hits YOU for 61 points of damage.
[Tue Jul 05 22:25:48 2022] A Chetari Dominator hits YOU for 166 points of damage.
[Tue Jul 05 22:25:48 2022] Enemyy was tormented.
[Tue Jul 05 22:25:48 2022] Enemyy kicks a Chetari Dominator for 57 points of damage.
[Tue Jul 05 22:25:48 2022] You are unstunned.

[Windez]

Since those occur at the same timestamp as the initial stun wouldn't that effectively be the same issue?

[Stonewallx39]

Originally Posted by Windez [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Since those occur at the same timestamp as the initial stun wouldn't that effectively be the same issue?

Well Eff, idk… I’ll try to find one that happens in the 1 second in between.

[Jimjam]

Found this.

[Thu Jan 14 21:54:28 2021] You are stunned!
[Thu Jan 14 21:54:28 2021] A greater skeleton bashes YOU for 2 points of damage.
[Thu Jan 14 21:54:29 2021] A greater skeleton tries to hit YOU, but YOU parry!
[Thu Jan 14 21:54:30 2021] You are unstunned.

[Stonewallx39]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Found this.

[Thu Jan 14 21:54:28 2021] You are stunned!
[Thu Jan 14 21:54:28 2021] A greater skeleton bashes YOU for 2 points of damage.
[Thu Jan 14 21:54:29 2021] A greater skeleton tries to hit YOU, but YOU parry!
[Thu Jan 14 21:54:30 2021] You are unstunned.

Thanks Jimjam! I searched all my logs for all my melees (who aren't Ogres) and found only 1 example of a defensive ability firing while stunned and not on the same time stamp as stunned vs unstunned. In the case of the one I found the stun seemed to last 3 seconds vs the standard 2 so there might be a timing piece. Yours looks pretty conclusive though.

[Tue Jul 19 11:57:03 2022] You are stunned!
[Tue Jul 19 11:57:03 2022] Skeletal guardian hits YOU for 20 points of damage.
[Tue Jul 19 11:57:03 2022] Skeletal guardian hits YOU for 20 points of damage.
[Tue Jul 19 11:57:03 2022] A drolvarg guardian tries to bash YOU, but misses!
[Tue Jul 19 [U]11:57:03 2022] A drolvarg guardian tries to hit YOU, but YOU dodge!
[Tue Jul 19 11:57:05 2022] Stardog tells the guild, 'black panther - is that rogue or monk goodies?'
[Tue Jul 19 11:57:05 2022] Skeletal guardian hits YOU for 21 points of damage.
[Tue Jul 19 11:57:05 2022] Skeletal guardian tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Tue Jul 19 11:57:05 2022] Skeletal guardian hits YOU for 58 points of damage.
[Tue Jul 19 11:57:05 2022] Skeletal guardian tries to hit YOU, but misses!
[Tue Jul 19 11:57:05 2022] A drolvarg guardian hits YOU for 31 points of damage.
[Tue Jul 19 11:57:05 2022] A drolvarg guardian tries to hit YOU, but YOU parry!
[Tue Jul 19 11:57:06 2022] You are unstunned.

[Troxx]

I have, on rare occasion, wished I had FSI on my dwarf warrior. It really doesn’t matter much but if you’re tanking a big nasty and they smash you while turning it keeps spinning you to expose your back …

Happened maybe 2-3x total to me but thankfully never resulted in damage spike and death.

Overall I prefer my barrel roll and dwarfly awesomeness swinging a mighty 2h axe.