Starting a Cleric

[oldschoolguy]

Dwarf. Best cultural armor set till velious by a lot. Can RP drunk. Best stats.

[Gustoo]

It depends what you want to do. Min Max in Velious era, high elf wins for the charisma for lulls.

Min Max in the original pre kunark era, probably human with innoruk for the couple of clickies and decent charisma for lulls

Gnome for wall vision and tinkering

Halfling for good all around, plus sneak and hide abilities

Dwarf good stats but not enough racial benefits

I can't decide if halfling trash charisma is really as bad as it seems. As a halfling, I didn't need to use lull that much, but at the same time I didn't really spend a lot of time thinking about exploiting lull to the max, and nowadays I might.

[DMN]

High elves only have 5 more charisma than humans... something like +20 more wisdom as well, but of course with way lower str/sta. they might be theoretically be the best min max race for raids if you wanna chase down all the +mana items at end game. the extra 100 mana you end up with ain't gonna save you from a raid wipe.

[Gustoo]

High elf is a pick if you do a charisma dump, and the 5 extra matters to you and the higher base wisdom also matters.

You could also do a min/max build on a halfling and run with 80 base charisma and gimp base wisdom knowing that the wisdom will max itself out later in life.

There is an argument that using critical lull resists to pull is an elite strategy that the halfing is ideally suited for.

[DMN]

Originally Posted by Gustoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

High elf is a pick if you do a charisma dump, and the 5 extra matters to you and the higher base wisdom also matters.

it's certaily not even remotely worth giving up infinite free snare and infiinite free fear.

Originally Posted by Gustoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is an argument that using critical lull resists to pull is an elite strategy that the halfing is ideally suited for.

it's a pretty silly argument given how fast lull is to cast and how cheap the mana cost is. you are going to get plenty of crit lulls with just your base cha regardless of race. and of course lull pulling is such an incredibly rare thing to be doing in the first place. This is virtually a meme at this point.

[ReoDobbs]

Originally Posted by DMN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

it's a pretty silly argument given how fast lull is to cast and how cheap the mana cost is. you are going to get plenty of crit lulls with just your base cha regardless of race. and of course lull pulling is such an incredibly rare thing to be doing in the first place. This is virtually a meme at this point.

So your saying Charisma is useless, regardless? You can't have it both ways.

Halfling it is.

[DMN]

Originally Posted by ReoDobbs [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So your saying Charisma is useless, regardless? You can't have it both ways.

Halfling it is.

Never said cha was useless. But thanks for playing.

[unleashedd]

ERU vs HUM? both blind

is Innoruuk the only upside for HUM?

[Ghost of Starman]

Originally Posted by unleashedd [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ERU vs HUM? both blind

is Innoruuk the only upside for HUM?

Human gets unlimited clicky snare, unlimited clicky fear, unlimited instant cast clicky infravision, and the second best charisma and good starting stamina and strength, The only thing they're missing really is sneak and hide.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by Ghost of Starman [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Human gets unlimited clicky snare, unlimited clicky fear, unlimited instant cast clicky infravision, and the second best charisma and good starting stamina and strength, The only thing they're missing really is sneak and hide.

Deadeye also gives see invis, not just infravision.